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No, they absolutely do not directly compete with Intel. AMD is currently bottom feeding to stay alive. Directly competing would be having a competitor for the i7 3970x, i7 3930k or even the i7 2700k.
GPU side of things, yeah, they're very impressive.

First, let me get this out of the way; yes, Intel is clearly the dominant performing cpu provider when compared to AMD. No argument there.

HOWEVER.........

When you start to look at the numbers between the top end; Intels i7-3970X, Xeon E5 2687 w/8 cores and the AMD 8350 Vishera as well as the myriad of other procs tested, the difference in frames, seconds, raw numbers or whatever the metric is, for a single user, is not necessarily significant, especially at higher resolutions.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3970x-sandy-bridge-e-benchmark,3348.html

Really look at those charts and forget about the low resolution numbers. Look at how it evens out, for the most part, at high resolutions. Now there is the efficiency arguments and what have you, but I'm not too worried about my power bill and have a pretty robust wc loop. The Vishera even takes a few productivity wins. Not bad for $230.

Having said that, would I choose an AMD proc now?? No, clearly I wouldn't. However, if the rumors of Intel abandoning the socket come to fruition; then that would fundementally change the conversation and I would be more than happy to build me a 'Red Team' box, because the truth of the matter is, most of us, even here on OCN, wouldn't notice any significant decline in our computing experiences if the intel/amd switch was made in either direction. I'm sure some of you would, but I would suggest most would not. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't. I'm not some bad @** movie making, 3ds modeling, code compiling genius. I'm a guy who likes to OC the hell out of my box, pour water into it, crank it as fast as it can go, 'drag race' it against people with benches and play games. I think that describes a lot of us. thumb.gif

But this is just rumor now and no one really has a clear picture as to what Intel's plans are. We can only hope they'll clarify soon.
Edited by LancerVI - 12/4/12 at 9:40pm
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Source.
Good to know! I just hope Intel clarifies their situation, I don't think anybody would be surprised or annoyed if they said they were adopting BGA for some more systems than now, by introducing some new form factors, but that the DIY market shouldn't worry.
AMD made a very clever and sensible statement.

i wish that were true
intel is trying to please apple
amd is trying to please us
guess who has the bigger pocket?
not us.. as much as i hate to say it..
 
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Where did they say that ? Do you have a source ?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121122022244_Intel_s_Haswell_Could_Be_Last_Interchangeable_Desktop_Microprocessors_Report.html
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While mainstream chips will reportedly be only supplied in BGA form-factors soldered to mainboards, which eliminates upgrade possibility, it is likely that high-end desktop (HEDT) platforms will still be supplied in LGA packaging.

I had read that before, but like Master__Shake and pwnzilla61 said, that is speculation and not a direct quote from Intel, so we're back at square one.

By that standard the whole article is speculation then since there are no quotes at all from intel. Why would you accept one part but not the other?

That is not the question, it's in the best interest of Intel to counter such rumour, especially now that AMD has taken an official stance on the matter.
 
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AMD abandoning socketed CPUs, They are abandoning CPUs all together. jk.
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That is not the question, it's in the best interest of Intel to counter such rumour, especially now that AMD has taken an official stance on the matter.

It's not really a rumor at this point though. There has been a couple stories about mobo manufacturers grumbling about it. Nothing official but it's a pretty safe bet the entire story is spot on. It makes financial sense for them to keep the top-end LGA since the margins are so huge there. That's why I'm pretty sure it's going to pan out that way.
    
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breaking news, apple just bought intel! fools
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No, they absolutely do not directly compete with Intel. AMD is currently bottom feeding to stay alive. Directly competing would be having a competitor for the i7 3970x, i7 3930k, i7 3770k or even the i7 2700k.
GPU side of things, yeah, they're very impressive.

They are directly competing with Intel and NVIDIA while having 90,000 fewer employees. They have the FX-8350 which outperforms the Core i5 3570k is several situations. They don't have to compete with all of Intels products to compete with them. The Core i3's integrated graphics gets absolutely obliterated by all of AMD's APU offerings yet the APU's and Core i3's directly compete with each other.



There are several reasons to buy AMD processors. They're far from irrelevant.

#1. APU's compete with the Core i3 while offering much BETTER integrated graphics and being cheaper.

#2. Hybrid Crossfire (7660D + 6670)

#2. The FX-8350 and FX-8320 are at the same price point as the Core i5 3570K but perform better with Rendering, Decoding, Encoding and Encryption.

#3. HSA in the future for APU's



By the way AMD held 19% of the desktop processor market in 2011 and their long term debt has been cut in half since 2008. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 12/4/12 at 10:27pm
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Intel will keep socketed chips for the high end platform like 2011 LGA. The problem is they will phase out the mainstream (1155) in favor om BGA. So if you would want to build a budget intel build, you're out of luck.

Intel will be the one out of luck ...and customers. This is the only thing I could think of that would make me switch to AMD for desktops ...or just completely leave desktop for laptops.
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then enjoy life once your hardware fails to operate then biggrin.gif

Oh there will be ways around that. Trust me on that. biggrin.gif


do tell i'm curious on this way around biggrin.gif
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do tell i'm curious on this way around biggrin.gif

It's called "Getting a new hobby" or "Talking out of ones a**"


Sorry. I couldn't resist.
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