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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

Your board have PCI3, it just don't run PCI3 speed with a Sandy, that's stated some where on your mobo box or user menu.

you are absolutely correct, and when Haswell comes out I'll buy an Ivy and get some PCI-E 3. But that has little relevance to what I was saying. I'm more inclined to upgrade MoBo's than processors.
 
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Originally Posted by DirectXtreme View Post

Dolphin and PCSX2 (GameCube/Wii and PS2 emulator) choke running on four year old CPUs when you play at the highest settings for certain games. I upgraded from an Athlon II X3 455 to an i5-2500K and both Dolphin and PCSX2 both saw massive speed boosts, especially after I overclocked it. There are programs that benefit from faster CPUs, just that the majority of people don't use them. Soldering CPUs to the motherboard could cripple overclocking (yes I know, it might not happen with high-end CPUs, but that's just a rumor) as the the heat could potentially melt the solder joint between the CPU and the motherboard. I just hope Intel uses a much better material than Microsoft did for soldering the GPU to the motherboard of the XBOX 360 (weak solder joints caused the Red Ring of Death).

A properly soldered joint needs way higher temps then any cpu chip will want to see to re-flow the solder. Weak/poor solder joints are more susceptible to issues from thermal expansion/contraction cycles than heat.
Lead-free solder used on most electronics nowadays - melts at above 200*C. You oc your chip even close to that I wouldnt be worrying about the solder.

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Originally Posted by Digikid View Post

FTFY.

Yes - me. I am a fan boy. I mean - I must be because I am defending AMD. Right? rolleyes.gif

Seriously grow up. A majority of my posts are on Intel subforums because i've owned more Intel based systems than AMD based systems. I am defending AMD because they're unfairly hated on simply because they don't have products to compete with the current Core i7 offerings.

A10-5800K/A85X rig - 2012
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Rather than resulting to insults and name calling you could be defending your point of view. Read up on the professionalism initiative.
Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 12/5/12 at 1:23pm
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Will Intel make decent motherboards?
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Well thanks AMD for reminding me why I bought you over an i5.
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the last part of this article is all speculation
semi accurate is bang on
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/

This article mentions that broadwell will be 14nm. I bet Intel needs the bga to make this work just like the change from ddr to ddr2. It's more expensive and more difficult to manufacture so once again it will be performance at a premium.... If this rumor is true.
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crisis averted http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012

yay no BGA woo internetz one intel a million biggrin.gif
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post #98 of 103
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Putting more of the north bridge on die does absolutely nothing for the enthusiasts. It's simply Intel trying to be like ARM.

That massive memory bandwidth increase that came along with on-die memory controllers had nothing to do with intel & amd's moving of IMCs, right?
 
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crisis averted http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012
yay no BGA woo internetz one intel a million biggrin.gif

As I said before. Enthusiast platform will keep sockets and everyone who would have bought an LGA1155 CPU will get soldered on CPU. Do you think Intel wants to get rid of their enthusiast market of selling bad 8 core chips as $1000 extreme editions?

The problem with what Intel is going to do isn't that it's getting rid of enthusiast PCs, it's that they're going to set the buy in to a $300 CPU minimum. There's still a lot of people in the sub $300 range that are going to get screwed over by this. Anyone with 3570k or lower is going to end up paying more to play on the E platform (Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E, Haswell-E) for the same CPUs they get currently on LGA1155.

Intel simply said they were not giving up LGA, they didn't say there was no BGA happening and they didn't say what markets would get BGA and which would get LGA. They also worded it to focus on enthusiasts, which leads me to believe they're targeting sockets only in their LGA2011 platform and whatever the successor to that is, whatever it may be.

I would be completely surprised at this point if all pre-built desktops under $2000 and all custom builds with smaller budgets that have Intel inside weren't soldered on. At that point, I wouldn't be surprised if the desktop form factor as we know it (the big, case and external monitor) is replaced with a laptop motherboard in a setup much like an iMac.
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That massive memory bandwidth increase that came along with on-die memory controllers had nothing to do with intel & amd's moving of IMCs, right?

That mattered, but did moving the PCIe bus to the die make a difference? And will moving the SATA controllers make a difference? Not in the slightest. After the IMC, all of this is arbitrary consolidation which does nothing except give Intel more control over their platforms. Intel wants more control, why do you think they got rid of nForce?
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It would be ridiculous if intel stopped making cpu's like the 3570 and 3770k,I mean it's intel they created the microprocessor!!! They can't just quit because most people use tables,how can you compare a tablet with a super fast with a big screen desktop computer?.
The gaming market is growing,I can tell you here in latin america more and more people are buying gaming machines and most people go intel cause they have the money the way i ended up.
Just because 90% of the people have no idea what's inside their computers and just get a tablet to play angry birds doesn't mean the ones who do will stop buying high end cpu's.

I have a tablet,a smartphone,a laptop and a desktop and honestly everytime i have to do something for university it's always better to use the desktop,not just because i have a very fast one but also because the screen and resolution is much better and makes it much more comfortable.

I know intel must compete in the mobile market too but I just can't believe high end desktop pc's will disappear,no man just no.The more money I have the more I buy high end products.
 
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