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It was obviously very tongue-in-cheek.
Of course. I was just joking around. You see your joke but not mine that is all. I saw yours and thought it was funny so I posted what I thought was funny and you took it to heart as you did not see my humor. This can often happen so I apologized for your feelings of ruffled feathers. Would you like some more apologies?
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post #22 of 38
Like these sort of arguments

The equation that can be used, in this case, will deem an average for certain chips designed per architecture. All chips are different per silicon, as wafers themselves contain slightly different impurities within their design.

Standard designs specify that MOSFET Linear voltage will differ per chip.
Therefore the equation will have different values of voltage within it for the approximate same value of current.
I=B(Vgs-Vt-Vds/2)Vds

That therefore states that the Internal MOSFETS will be operating with a slight variation of potential difference over different components to derive at the same value of current, which is a chip requirement.
Current is not exactly equal to the equation. It is approximately equal, as of course manufacturing defects can occur.

That's the first part, and no I'm not a total nerd

From a physics point of view I do not believe you can specify a half life of these devices in that manner, as they themselves are not a radioactive particle, and therefore and not under limitation by that physics law in regards to half life, they are not governed by those laws of physics. I may be wrong here however.

I will search around for the equation I specified to, of course this will be another approximately equal to equation.
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Of course. I was just joking around. You see your joke but not mine that is all. I saw yours and thought it was funny so I posted what I thought was funny and you took it to heart as you did not see my humor. This can often happen so I apologized for your feelings of ruffled feathers. Would you like some more apologies?
I would enjoy drowning in your apologies, Ropey. You should be very sorry after our mortal scuffle.

Edit: Manual, do you use LaTeX?
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This is the definitive word selectodude. There are so many more facets to The_Manual than his "Nerdness". He is more than a sum of his parts of which his Nerdness is just a part of the sum.

There's an equation around here somewhere that shows this. Let me see if I can find it................................................ .................................................. .
ROFL... now THATis some funny sh**!!!!
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post #25 of 38
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From a physics point of view I do not believe you can specify a half life of these devices in that manner, as they themselves are not a radioactive particle, and therefore and not under limitation by that physics law in regards to half life, they are not governed by those laws of physics. I may be wrong here however.
Electrostatic devices are not governed by the law of particular and wave function decay? I would like some proof of this as it goes directly against what I learned in Physics with regards to both Electrostatic and Magnetic Function. I believe they are governed by these functions which are similar to any decay mode function whether it be atomic or electrostatic or photographic, etc.

Note that I said:

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so you can consider their span as radioactive decay for purposes of determining possible length of minimal errror use.
The definitive word being "Consider". Of course atomic, electrostatic, photographic, magnetic decay functions all have somewhat different patterns but they can all also be considered of an inclusive function method.
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I suppose I should let you off by saying Consider

As far as I believe, having only studied this form of physics in moderation:
I do not believe Electron's, which are the particles we are talking about in this case, decay because they are the lightest charged particle that does not interact via the quark-binding force. Therefore, due to no decay, they will not have a half life.
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I suppose I should let you off by saying Consider

As far as I believe, having only studied this form of physics in moderation:
I do not believe Electron's, which are the particles we are talking about in this case, decay because they are the lightest charged particle that does not interact via the quark-binding force. Therefore, due to no decay, they will not have a half life.
I agree. The electrons do not decay. However the bindings do And yes, consider has "saved my bacon" in many debates where someone is trying to tie me to exclusivity in something.
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post #28 of 38
Please specify the component that you state as a Binding, as I have never heard that term used in regards to architectural design.
post #29 of 38
The "Glue" (for want of a better word as weak nuclear force or weak force does not give a good indication of the effect) that holds all components together on an atomic level. The strength between the neutrino interaction induces the decay to which you spoke of in the quark binding force.

By the way, we have now quite moved out of the actual posting regading CPU longevity
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post #30 of 38
That sounds far more logical.
As far as I am aware the half life of a computer micro processor (having used my books for backup) regardless of voltage will be a dual integer at minimum in years i.e. 10 years+ regardless of Potential Difference applied to a unit. This is in regards to particles that themselves have a mediocre half life. Therefore in conclusion, following this information, regardless of voltage, the half life of the chip will be longer than you will "probably" ever use the chip.
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