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Right there. End Game and Aftermath says "New Weapons" And attacking the character of the people making this report doesn't at the least detract away form that image and the fact taht Premium was sold with those images and now they're retracted that.
I personally don't care one way or the other. But I just thought I'd show you were they promised new weapons.

The crossbow is a new weapon, they did not mention how many. For example BTK and CQ clearly says 10 new weapons as for endgame we know nothing about it
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What I was getting at, is that you can expect pretty much any game to be offered at a decently discounted price several months after its initial release, especially major titles like BF3 that are heavily anticipated and have a large fan base that do the vast majority of their sales through pre-order, day one, and first month. There are plenty of more casual gamers that will pick it up later on, but not nearly in the same volume. And this late in the game for BF3, and other big titles releasing, they have to cut the prices to keep selling copies. By now, anyone wanting to play and willing to pay the $60 to do so already have. It makes sense, and its perfectly fine by me. I do not mind one bit about paying a slightly higher premium to have the game and its extras as soon as they're released. And I certainly agree that some games are worth waiting it out for the price to drop. I do it too, and that's my point. We all know they will be cheaper later on. If you're surprised by price cuts like these, you are living under a rock. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but your argument of "had I known" really isn't valid.

I'm well aware that prices for games get slashed after a while. I think Steam sales, Amazon, D2D/Gamefly, GOG etc - I think they speak for themselves, let alone EA or otherwise.

I don't live under a rock - but the price wasn't slashed, that's where you're mistaken. You seem to miss what I was getting at price-wise.

Re-read how the pricing went and you'll see why. Premium Service to Premium Edition is just dirty tactics. It should have been one or the other. Not both. Because obviously $60 for the whole shebang is awfully better than $100 or whatever over $60 you (whoever) paid to get 'Premium'.
    
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Meh, the game doesn't really need new weapons. New maps are what's important, and the Aftermath ones are pretty good. They're basically what close quarter maps like Metro and Grand Bazaar should have been. The action is close up and fast paced, yet the maps are designed with enough attack paths that there are no 64v64 choke points or bottlenecks like those vanilla ones. Overall they offer nice diversity in a map pool with the B2K and AK maps.
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I'm well aware that prices for games get slashed after a while. I think Steam sales, Amazon, D2D/Gamefly, GOG etc - I think they speak for themselves, let alone EA or otherwise.
I don't live under a rock - but the price wasn't slashed, that's where you're mistaken. You seem to miss what I was getting at price-wise.
Re-read how the pricing went and you'll see why. Premium Service to Premium Edition is just dirty tactics. It should have been one or the other. Not both. Because obviously $60 for the whole shebang is awfully better than $100 or whatever over $60 you (whoever) paid to get 'Premium'.

I just don't think it should be such a direct comparison to each other, they are two separate products. The "service" was for Battlefield enthusiasts, who already owned the game, and I think the price was pretty fair. The "edition" on the other hand, was offered to attract new customers who were on the fence. If it were offered at $80 or $90, which it certainly could have been, they would surely sell much less to that target market. I mean it's the same as offering the game for $30, and then the remainder of the Premium "service" for $30, which is not entirely unreasonable. It's just the way of the business as far as I see it. They probably could have waited longer to offer the same deal, and it may have been easier to swallow for some, but there would still be people complaining. I don't consider it dirty tactics. It was the best way to maximize profits in a competitive market.
    
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The crossbow is a new weapon, they did not mention how many. For example BTK and CQ clearly says 10 new weapons as for endgame we know nothing about it

The crossbow is a new weapon. The image states weapons.

You need to admit you were wrong to have a crack at the article and the dude you quoted, tbh. They said new stuff and now they're going back on it. Not much more to be said really, is there?

Like I said, I don't care either way, but you should stop making out like these guys are wrong, because they're not. DICE said new stuff and now it's being deleted because there isn't any plans for any.
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The crossbow is a new weapon. The image states weapons.
You need to admit you were wrong to have a crack at the article and the dude you quoted, tbh. They said new stuff and now they're going back on it. Not much more to be said really, is there?
Like I said, I don't care either way, but you should stop making out like these guys are wrong, because they're not. DICE said new stuff and now it's being deleted because there isn't any plans for any.
I have to agree with this wholeheartedly. Combat FPS aren't my thing, but I'd be pissed if I was promised new weapons in my DLC and only got one weapon when it came out. For some people, words have meanings. Plurals aren't just marketing gimmicks for companies that want my cash.
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I just don't think it should be such a direct comparison to each other, they are two separate products. The "service" was for Battlefield enthusiasts, who already owned the game, and I think the price was pretty fair. The "edition" on the other hand, was offered to attract new customers who were on the fence. If it were offered at $80 or $90, which it certainly could have been, they would surely sell much less to that target market. I mean it's the same as offering the game for $30, and then the remainder of the Premium "service" for $30, which is not entirely unreasonable. It's just the way of the business as far as I see it. They probably could have waited longer to offer the same deal, and it may have been easier to swallow for some, but there would still be people complaining. I don't consider it dirty tactics. It was the best way to maximize profits in a competitive market.

I see where you're coming from but I still don't think you see it from my point of view.

Premium 'Service' was roughly 6 months in after launch. Then not much more than one month later, they announced the Premium 'Edition'. Seems a little off-balance to me.

Don't misunderstand either - I get exactly what you men in terms when coming from a business standpoint - to a degree. And I also realize why they added the 'service' before the whole 'Premium Edition'. I just think that in terms of marketing and proper sales tactics - it would have been far better to release the Premium 'Edition' from the get-go with a higher price-point, then reducing it later on.

So $49.99 for BF3? Great. $59.99 for BF3 Limited Edition which should have included earlier access to weapons and perks, instead of B2K (which shouldn't have included B2K if they were going to release it as part of 'Premium' anyways...), and BF3 'Premium Edition' for $79.99 which was all-inclusive for all DLC/related content. Or price it however you see fit.

But not $49.99 for 'Premium' and then literally a month later offer the same whole package including BF3 base for a total of $59.99 + offering a starter kit.

I get a reduced price to include more people and growing the community - I do. Just not the way it was done.
    
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This is why I don't buy subscriptions for games other than MMOs. You never know what may happen.

I'd rather buy mysself a nice new game than paying for premium. I'm perfectly happy with only B2K.
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I see where you're coming from but I still don't think you see it from my point of view.
Premium 'Service' was roughly 6 months in after launch. Then not much more than one month later, they announced the Premium 'Edition'. Seems a little off-balance to me.
Don't misunderstand either - I get exactly what you men in terms when coming from a business standpoint - to a degree. And I also realize why they added the 'service' before the whole 'Premium Edition'. I just think that in terms of marketing and proper sales tactics - it would have been far better to release the Premium 'Edition' from the get-go with a higher price-point, then reducing it later on.
So $49.99 for BF3? Great. $59.99 for BF3 Limited Edition which should have included earlier access to weapons and perks, instead of B2K (which shouldn't have included B2K if they were going to release it as part of 'Premium' anyways...), and BF3 'Premium Edition' for $79.99 which was all-inclusive for all DLC/related content. Or price it however you see fit.
But not $49.99 for 'Premium' and then literally a month later offer the same whole package including BF3 base for a total of $59.99 + offering a starter kit.
I get a reduced price to include more people and growing the community - I do. Just not the way it was done.

That would have been awesome had they done that. But look how much more money they were able to make by doing it the way that they did. And I do get what you're saying. DICE should have planned it out much better. Honestly, from the way they did things, it doesn't seem like they had much of a plan at all, and just kind of winged it. Or there was some miscommunication/disorganization within DICE or between them and EA. Who knows. Nevertheless, I don't think it was a bad deal.

Remember that Premium gave us all 5 DLCs ($15 x 5 = $75) for $50. $25 saved, and even for those that owned B2K already, still a $10 savings just buying the DLCs, but also gave other features:

-Early Access to DLCs
-Stats reset feature
-Save up to five of your favorite Battle Reports
-Increased Platoon Emblem layers
-10+ unique Platoon emblem decals
-Unique in-game knife
-Unique in-game dog tags
-10+ unique soldier camos
-Unique weapon camos
-5+ unique Assignments
-Exclusive Double XP events
-Exclusive videos
-Strategy guides
-Server queue priority

Many of them minor, but still extras. And, Premium service was available early June. The Premium Edition was released September 11 (source). So we also had the opportunity to use these features for 3 full months before they offered it at the cheaper price.

EDIT
But yes, I do get your position, it is a little sketchy, but I do not feel like I overpaid. I feel like the biggest discount with the Premium Edition is on the base game, which again, everyone that bought Premium up until then, already owned (most of them for 6 months by then), and could not have benefited from the deal anyway.
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Two problems:
1. Premium was out for less than 3 months before they slashed it's price.
2. Taking the above into account, that discount of a whopping £2 per pack isn't anything at all to get excited about.

Yeah, that's the one area I feel they kinda dropped the ball. Hell, I bought BF3, B2K and Premium all separately: ~ $125...that's a lot of money for 1 game no matter how you cut it.

But, I also understand why they did it: they knew BlOps 2 was coming. That was their last grab before BlOps 2 dropped. I ain't even mad, though. Aftermath delivered. Excellent maps and game play. All told, BF3 has something for every player type which is what I think DICE was shooting for--ton of variety between Vanilla, B2K, CQB, AK and Aftermath.

I'd been telling myself I wasn't gonna buy BF4 because of the pricing debacle thing but: I think I will if they get it nailed down--if they learn from the mistakes they made with BF3 Premium. Honestly, I'd buy the "Mega Digital Deluxe Biggie Edition" of BF4 at launch for about 70-75 bucks if I knew it was going to deliver this much content with all these game modes. Hopefully they've learned and people won't feel like they got the short end of the stick next time....
 
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