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So it's a lie because you don't believe it? Sounds rational.

not really...I just dont buy what i see first hand on internet...sounds fair to me....
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post #102 of 745
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I don't know if i trust review sites anymore. They help with my purchasing decisions, but anymore they seem very dishonest.
This review is a great example. A stock 7950 vs an overclocked 660 ti? I mean, they state the clocks at the start of the review, but they don't make it clear that the 660 ti is overclocked... which would explain why they didn't discuss overclocking.
BTW. I do own a 7950, which is my first AMD card in 7 years.

Surely you can't be serious?

The 7950 boost is 925 mhz stock not 950. That Sapphire card is the highest factory OC 7950 that the Egg lists.

The Zotax is a high oc 660ti card.

How exactly is it unfair to test two cards that cost a similar amount of $ as they come out of the box when both are the best clocked you can get?
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post #103 of 745
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post

How about this for a scenario:
  1. nVidia card tested first - nVidia drivers installed.
  2. nVidia card removed - nVidia drivers removed - some parts left over
  3. AMD card and driver installed
  4. Remaining nVidia driver fragments cause problems with the AMD drivers.
Now it is nVidia's fault for providing a shoddy uninstaller...
Either scenario is just as likely, although I know from experience that removing nVidia drivers is harder than getting blood stains out of bed sheets. Last time I ended up resorting to re-installing windows.
And buying new sheets.
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Our first instinct upon seeing these results was to wonder if we hadn't somehow misconfigured our test systems or had some sort of failing hardware. We test Nvidia and AMD GPUs on separate but identical systems, so to confirm our numbers, we switched the cards between the systems and re-tested. The Radeons still exhibited the same patterns of frame latency, with no meaningful change in the results. We wondered about the possibility of a problem with our Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X card or its Boost BIOS causing the slowdowns, but swapping in an older, non-Boost Radeon HD 7950 card from MSI produced very similar results.

So much for your theory.........
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post #104 of 745
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very nice and don't rma...lol

I understand you have 7950's, and you're defensive of them. I get it. We all get it. I'm sure AMD will release new drivers, and improve the performance, if they haven't already. And Nvidia will answer, and it will go back and forth. It will ALWAYS go back and forth. And it's great for us.

If you're saying someone buys a 660TI just because it doesn't overclock as well as a 7950, and think they will want to RMA because of it, I'd imagine you're looking at a very small % of the buyers for the card than. And before you make a comment about me owning 680's in SLI, my friend bought parts for a new computer recently, which I built for him, and I suggested 7970's for crossfire, which he got.

But making comments like you are, is childish, and doesn't reflect well on our community. At all.
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So much for your theory.........

Yeah, I re-read that after I posted. I still get annoyed with the knee jerk "herp derp AMD drivers" though, and seriously, try cleanly removing nVidia drivers...



I'm interested to know how they ended up with their results, they still don't feel right. Maybe it is all down to the clock speed.
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Yeah, I re-read that after I posted. I still get annoyed with the knee jerk "herp derp AMD drivers" though, and seriously, try cleanly removing nVidia drivers...
I'm interested to know how they ended up with their results, they still don't feel right. Maybe it is all down to the clock speed.

I'm sure with all the hoopla, someone else will come along and test in a similar fashion.

Nvidia drivers do their share of screwing up new Nvidia drivers too so it's nice that they share the pain all over. LOL.
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post #107 of 745
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Surely you can't be serious?
The 7950 boost is 925 mhz stock not 950. That Sapphire card is the highest factory OC 7950 that the Egg lists.
The Zotax is a high oc 660ti card.
How exactly is it unfair to test two cards that cost a similar amount of $ as they come out of the box when both are the best clocked you can get?
It's only unfair if the 7950 loses.

Didn't you get the memo?

The 7950 absolutely destroys the GTX 660 TI, and any review that says otherwise is obviously biased, flawed, and cannot be trusted.

Zotac 660TI = $280 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500269

Sapphire Vapor X = $310 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003

This review is clearly biased and unfair, since the GTX 660 TI is clocked higher and it's also $30 cheaper.

They also chose a 7950 that boosts higher than other 7950's.

What were they thinking?!?!?!?!?

P.S. The 660 TI is also a much smaller card, this review is soooo flawed.


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post #108 of 745
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Nvidia drivers do their share of screwing up new Nvidia drivers too so it's nice that they share the pain all over. LOL.

Good to know thumb.gif

And yes, another test would be interesting. Maybe some others will start testing frame latency also? Always good to have multiple sources.

But I am still happy with my 7950, mostly because it can do this:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edit: Oh, and it has been happily sitting at 1200 / 1600 and pretty much 100% load since I got it 6 months ago...
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post #109 of 745
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It's only unfair if the 7950 loses.
Didn't you get the memo?
The 7950 absolutely destroys the GTX 660 TI, and any review that says otherwise is obviously biased, flawed, and cannot be trusted.
Zotac 660TI = $280 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500269
Sapphire Vapor X = $310 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003
This review is clearly biased and unfair, since the GTX 660 TI is clocked higher and it's also $30 cheaper.
What were they thinking?!?!?!?!?

Right?! I guarantee you if it was Nvidia losing AMD guys would be saying, "ya 7950 pwns everything no surprise herp derp memory bus bottleneck".

I think the review is more than fair, best of the 660ti's vs the best/highest clocked 7950, Not the reviewers fault that nobody makes a higher stock clocked 7950.

These reviews are made for people looking for the best in a price range, not uber enthusiasts who OC like crazy.

Also, the argument that the reviewers used games known to run better on Nvidia, is invalid. Whos fault is it that Nvidia runs better on those "never settle" games?
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Yeah, I re-read that after I posted. I still get annoyed with the knee jerk "herp derp AMD drivers" though, and seriously, try cleanly removing nVidia drivers...
I'm interested to know how they ended up with their results, they still don't feel right. Maybe it is all down to the clock speed.

I didn't post a "knee jerk herp derp AMD drivers" I read that paragraph about them testing each card on different identical systems and therefor I made a comment based on that.

I used to rock a 3870 back in the day, but then I upgraded to a GTX 260, and yes Nvidia's drivers so far have been the better but not by a lot.

One thing I didn't notice is that the 660TI was already overclocked out of the box so I got fooled there I guess, other than that its not a bad review.
Edited by SGT. Peppers - 12/5/12 at 5:51pm
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