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Absolutely. But what we're discussing is not that they should've done a clock for clock.
We're discussing that they took an almost stock HD7950 and put it up against a heavliy overclocked GTX660Ti. And that's what is not fair.
Now if you're talking about plain price per dollar, then it's another story. And in that case, they used a wrong article preface and a wrong title, as they imply they're doing a face-to-face of both cards at manufacturer specs, not at the settings one OEM has decided to use.

Well said. Quite simply the 660ti is nearly at its maximum performance where the 7950 is just starting. The issue is the way the review is presented in such a way, that it makes the 7950 look even less then what its capable of doing, not to mention something looking wrong with the 7950s performance.
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Absolutely. But what we're discussing is not that they should've done a clock for clock.
We're discussing that they took an almost stock HD7950 and put it up against a heavliy overclocked GTX660Ti. And that's what is not fair.
Now if you're talking about plain price per dollar, then it's another story. And in that case, they used a wrong article preface and a wrong title, as they imply they're doing a face-to-face of both cards at manufacturer specs, not at the settings one OEM has decided to use.

The problem is that there are no retail overclocked AMD cards. So they couldn't take a factory overclocked 7950 against the overclocked 660 Ti. So you do the next best thing, which is take the top end of what is available. If I have $300 to spend I'm going to buy the fastest card I can, and that's what they did. I just don't see how you can say it isn't fair that they spent $300 on two readily available cards and tested them. Again, if you want to blame someone, blame AMD for not allowing heavily overclocked retail cards.


Still at it? You don't know how to run an apples to apples test? Now you're arguing it's AMD's fault for TR's shenanigans? Seriously?


http://www.overclock.net/t/1322119/12-11-vs-310-33
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The problem is that there are no retail overclocked AMD cards. So they couldn't take a factory overclocked 7950 against the overclocked 660 Ti. So you do the next best thing, which is take the top end of what is available. If I have $300 to spend I'm going to buy the fastest card I can, and that's what they did. I just don't see how you can say it isn't fair that they spent $300 on two readily available cards and tested them. Again, if you want to blame someone, blame AMD for not allowing heavily overclocked retail cards.

thing is it wouldn't be the fastest card at that price would it? your saying you would rather spend 300 getting a card at its max capacity then getting a card that has capability to overclock a tier higher on stock cooling? not forgetting that the review completing trashes the 7950s reputation unfairly with questionable performance stats.
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The problem is that there are no retail overclocked AMD cards. So they couldn't take a factory overclocked 7950 against the overclocked 660 Ti. So you do the next best thing, which is take the top end of what is available. If I have $300 to spend I'm going to buy the fastest card I can, and that's what they did. I just don't see how you can say it isn't fair that they spent $300 on two readily available cards and tested them. Again, if you want to blame someone, blame AMD for not allowing heavily overclocked retail cards.

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not forgetting that the review completing trashes the 7950s reputation unfairly with questionable performance stats.

Plus, this. Tech Report has shown a pretty evident bias in this article, not only in the comparison itself (as you could argue they're comparing price to price and nothing else), but in the writing.
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News threads aren't the place for benchmark competitions. Please start another thread in the Graphics Card section. On that note, I'd be more than happy to throw my reference AMD 7950 in to the benchmarking results at various clock speeds.

Again, that won't really change anything. Average framerate alone really doesn't tell the whole story when it comes to actual in game performance.


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Your testing won't really invalidate this article unless you manage to test frame latencies as well.
Fraps Calc would probably do a good job.
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+1 for bench-off. I can throw in my 680 that does 1280 @ 1.175v or 1340 @ 1.212v. PM me when thread is created in General section.

That honestly doesn't prove anymore than e-peen.

I like techreport's testing due to the fact that they realize that average framerate alone does not tell anywhere near the whole story.
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Still at it? You don't know how to run an apples to apples test? Now you're arguing it's AMD's fault for TR's shenanigans? Seriously?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1322119/12-11-vs-310-33

I know how to do it, I'm saying it is stupid to demand a clock for clock test. Do we demand core for core tests by disabling shader cores to make those numbers match?
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thing is it wouldn't be the fastest card at that price would it? your saying you would rather spend 300 getting a card at its max capacity then getting a card that has capability to overclock a tier higher on stock cooling? not forgetting that the review completing trashes the 7950s reputation unfairly with questionable performance stats.

Not everyone overclocks their own cards and review sites have to write reviews for everyone. They presented an out of the box comparison of two cards that are at equivalent positions in their respective line-ups, and at comparable prices. They made that fact very clear in their test setup page.

I just don't get how anyone can say it is not fair that the cards are different speeds. Was it not fair that the 6970 ran at a faster clock speed than the GTX 480 and 580?
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I know how to do it, I'm saying it is stupid to demand a clock for clock test. Do we demand core for core tests by disabling shader cores to make those numbers match?
Not everyone overclocks their own cards and review sites have to write reviews for everyone. They presented an out of the box comparison of two cards that are at equivalent positions in their respective line-ups, and at comparable prices. They made that fact very clear in their test setup page.
I just don't get how anyone can say it is not fair that the cards are different speeds. Was it not fair that the 6970 ran at a faster clock speed than the GTX 480 and 580?

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I know how to do it, I'm saying it is stupid to demand a clock for clock test. Do we demand core for core tests by disabling shader cores to make those numbers match?
Not everyone overclocks their own cards and review sites have to write reviews for everyone. They presented an out of the box comparison of two cards that are at equivalent positions in their respective line-ups, and at comparable prices. They made that fact very clear in their test setup page.
I just don't get how anyone can say it is not fair that the cards are different speeds. Was it not fair that the 6970 ran at a faster clock speed than the GTX 480 and 580?

Ok lets get this straight. On that logic, it makes sense, except you can clearly see in the style of writing before the results came out that it was bashing the 7950. not to mention that 7950 users are finding the performance stats unusual. Not only that might aswell just say in the title - More powerful through factory settings card 660ti 5% faster then 7950 stock.
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So where's that showdown between this Bruenis guy and the challenger?
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So where's that showdown between this Bruenis guy and the challenger?

Bruenis never personally accepted this challenge. Another member who knows Bruenis threw his name out as a person who may accept.
     
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