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Ok lets get this straight. On that logic, it makes sense, except you can clearly see in the style of writing before the results came out that it was bashing the 7950. not to mention that 7950 users are finding the performance stats unusual. Not only that might aswell just say in the title - More powerful through factory settings card 660ti 5% faster then 7950 stock.

If you want to bash them for their tone, or their testing methods, or their use of Win 8, I think that's all fair. I just don't get the hate against them for using retail cards too do their testing. If they had had used a $400 660 Ti against a $250 non-boost 7950 that wouldn't be fair, but they took the best cards at similar prices and tested them.

As an aside, what is it with AMD not selling any highly overclocked cards? I'm really curious about that decision now - seems like they'd have some room to end debate if they just sold a 1+ Ghz 7950 at retail.

And, not to further muddy the waters, but the new Techspot Far Cry 3 review has the 660 Ti and 7950 Boost pretty close at playable resolutions (I don't consider results with FPS in the 30s to be very relevant). Not clear which 660 Ti they used though.
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/
post #222 of 745
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Again, that won't really change anything. Average framerate alone really doesn't tell the whole story when it comes to actual in game performance.
That honestly doesn't prove anymore than e-peen.
I like techreport's testing due to the fact that they realize that average framerate alone does not tell anywhere near the whole story.

I've seen a lot of "7950 boost is faster than stock 670 and when OCed, trumps 680 in like every game, man, I'm telling ya" types of claims recently. Just wanted to throw my decently clocking 680 into the ring to see how it stacks up against those 7950s, that's all. I am not here to prove anything, you must be confusing me with someone else.
post #223 of 745
This thread should be over if people just read the thread of tsm. 7950 is general 2-3 % slower than a 7970. We have benchmarks from a legit source and we still fight for clocks-to clocks apples to apples cost. Soon this will go to power consumption.
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I've seen a lot of "7950 boost is faster than stock 670 and when OCed, trumps 680 in like every game, man, I'm telling ya" types of claims recently. Just wanted to throw my decently clocking 680 into the ring to see how it stacks up against those 7950s, that's all. I am not here to prove anything, you must be confusing me with someone else.

dont know who says the 7950 can beat a 680 but thats just bull xD a sapphire 7970 vapor x could come on par with a 680 when overclocked which in cases like mine where the 680 costs 200 euro more is worth it.
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dont know who says the 7950 can beat a 680 but thats just bull xD a sapphire 7970 vapor x could come on par with a 680 when overclocked which in cases like mine where the 680 costs 200 euro more is worth it.

Bull? Nope -> 7950 Royal king edition
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I've seen a lot of "7950 boost is faster than stock 670 and when OCed, trumps 680 in like every game, man, I'm telling ya" types of claims recently. Just wanted to throw my decently clocking 680 into the ring to see how it stacks up against those 7950s, that's all. I am not here to prove anything, you must be confusing me with someone else.

I have personally owned both GTX670 sli and 7950 crossfire and have tested them both with one and two cards with older drivers and found the two at my max overclock on air (1225 on the 670 and 1100 on the 7950) to be pretty much dead even at 1440p on the same system with the same overclock. They went back and forth with certain titles and were pretty much indistinguishable in most games.

Again, just looking at average framerates alone doesn't really tell you much. If you guys want to have a "bench off" thats fine but don't look at it as anything other than a competition since framerate alone doesn't tell you the whole story. For a recent example look at the latest Far Cry 3 benchmarks on [H]OCP where framerate alone didn't match up to the actual gameplay experience.

Here is an article explaining why techreport who has been called an AMD biased site on more than one occasion uses the frame latencies in their tests.
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Ok so me and twitch_alucard Are benching our GPU's together. Problem is my memory clock stock is alot higher than his and would have to gimp the card just to get it down that low, and that would be putting the card well below stock reference clocks.

So I proposed we do this: test both at stock and both at max OC on reference coolers. I think that's more than fair. I know some people will say but its not clock for clock, but its two completely different architectures so clock for clock is irrelevant. What matters is stock performance vs max OC.

Again this is not to prove a 660ti is better but just to prove it does not get destroyed and for the price is very competitive.
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Ok so me and twitch_alucard Are benching our GPU's together. Problem is my memory clock stock is alot higher than his and would have to gimp the card just to get it down that low, and that would be putting the card well below stock reference clocks.
So I proposed we do this: test both at stock and both at max OC on reference coolers. I think that's more than fair. I know some people will say but its not clock for clock, but its two completely different architectures so clock for clock is irrelevant. What matters is stock performance vs max OC.
Again this is not to prove a 660ti is better but just to prove it does not get destroyed and for the price is very competitive.

Thats how it needs to be done. At stock clocks for THAT card. You cant compare Apples to oranges... stock vs stock.
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Thats how it needs to be done. At stock clocks for THAT card. You cant compare Apples to oranges... stock vs stock.

Why? Isn't this overclock.net?
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I think the real story here is that Zotac 660 Ti AMP! edition, and it only being 6.75" long! Holy crap is that an awesome package!

I wish my 4 foot long MSi 7970 OC was that small, even having a Full Tower.

Look at the size difference.....



EDIT: That card is making my ITX build twitch act up.....

Imagine that sexy little beast in a Prodigy.
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