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Ok, I am going to settle this once and for all, and I will do so by channeling the old man in me.............

When looking at which video card is better, you simply need to ask yourself one question, and then answer it completely honestly. That question is.....

"If I buy Card A over Card B will I notice a difference when I am using my computer?"

If you answer the question honestly, and the answer is a "No. I will not notice the difference between the two", then buy the lower cost of the two. You can spend months arguing with others, and yourself, over which card is better. You can analyze every benchmark, test, video review, written review, and manufacturer specification, and get no where. There simply comes a time to just shut up, make the purchase, and be happy.

I can guarantee that I could put any of you in front of a high end system, not tell you the hardware, let you play, and you wouldn't be able to tell me what was in the machine. You wouldn't notice the drop from 85 FPS to 72 FPS, or other meaningless marginal gap in performance. You couldn't tell me if it was a 7970, 680, or 7950 and 670...or 660 Ti....

Folks, we are at a level of performance in GPU hardware that we have never seen before. The fidelity we have in video games today is beyond what people imagined just a decade ago....yet we are still having the same argument from a decade ago. As someone who has an overclocked 7970, I can honestly say I could lose a significant level of performance, and still be happy. I bought my brother a 7850 and a 1440P display, we both have Shimians. That 7850 games as well as my 7970.

"But but but Postal! The 7970 is SOOOOOO much faster...."

Yea, it is, and that is my point! The "little" 7850 provides more than adequat performance on great visual settings, the 7970 is pretty much excessive in most cases.

So shut up, buy the card you want, and be happy. It will perform just fine!

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It's laughable to that people think that this article is unbiased. It is incredibly biased. At best it is sensationalist.

They barely even note that their testing is done with v-sync off, it's almost an afterthought when it's the ENTIRE basis for their testing method. What happens when vsync is on? Triple buffering? D3D overrider? Radeon Pro? Nope, they pick the condition that makes AMD look the worst so that they can generate rage, and try to make it look like it is the general case.
post #293 of 745
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Originally Posted by Hukkel View Post

Get a cup of tea and relax man. Are we being moody today?
Irrationality has no place here. You're spouting nonsense; pardon me for calling you out on it.
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See I can see things how I like them to see. Just because you call it conspiracy garbage doesn't make that the truth. Good luck with your opinion.
It doesn't make yours the truth either. Seriously, how many people do you think would legitimately believe that Nvidia forced their hand in this? The idea is completely ludicrous.
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Fact of the matter is they compare two cards. And both of them have a performance layout. If one has loads of extra performance left in it it should be considered im my opinion.
That's fine, and I agree that headroom is important to note. That has nothing to do with what's been exposed here. Do you know how time consuming it would be to expose every pro and con of an architecture? I'd imagine it'd be quite arduous.
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It's laughable to that people think that this article is unbiased. It is incredibly biased. At best it is sensationalist.
They barely even note that their testing is done with v-sync off, it's almost an afterthought when it's the ENTIRE basis for their testing method. What happens when vsync is on? Triple buffering? D3D overrider? Radeon Pro? Nope, they pick the condition that makes AMD look the worst so that they can generate rage, and try to make it look like it is the general case.
Just because your idea of a fair and balanced review differs from theirs does not mean that they are biased. Let's take a look at what you're wanting here:
  • Vsync — is it a requirement for reviews to use vsync to avoid bias?
  • Triple buffering — is it a requirement for reviews to use triple buffering to avoid bias?
  • Third party software — how much handholding is necessary for AMD to be painted in a good light here? Hold on guys, they didn't run Game Booster, their results are invalid! What a childish request.
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Nope, they pick the condition that makes AMD look the worst so that they can generate rage, and try to make it look like it is the general case.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, You have no argument.
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Originally Posted by atomicmew View Post

It's laughable to that people think that this article is unbiased. It is incredibly biased. At best it is sensationalist.
They barely even note that their testing is done with v-sync off, it's almost an afterthought when it's the ENTIRE basis for their testing method. What happens when vsync is on? Triple buffering? D3D overrider? Radeon Pro? Nope, they pick the condition that makes AMD look the worst so that they can generate rage, and try to make it look like it is the general case.

With Vsync on the frame times would be locked to 16.667ms, so what would that show?
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Originally Posted by atomicmew View Post

It's laughable to that people think that this article is unbiased. It is incredibly biased. At best it is sensationalist.
They barely even note that their testing is done with v-sync off, it's almost an afterthought when it's the ENTIRE basis for their testing method. What happens when vsync is on? Triple buffering? D3D overrider? Radeon Pro? Nope, they pick the condition that makes AMD look the worst so that they can generate rage, and try to make it look like it is the general case.

So testing graphics cards with vsync ON is the new golden standard? rolleyes.gif
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So testing graphics cards with vsync ON is the new golden standard? rolleyes.gif

I play with VSync on in almost every case....

There are games that I play which break several hundred FPS if I don't, which isn't something I want to have going on.
    
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I play with VSync on in almost every case....
"I" being the key word there. I != everyone else.
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"I" being the key word there. I != everyone else.

You say that with such emphasis, as if I am the ONLY....

I =/= Only in this case.

In truth, most people should play with VSync to prevent tearing and other visual anomalies that can occur.
    
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You say that with such emphasis, as if I am the ONLY....
I =/= Only in this case.
In truth, most people should play with VSync to prevent tearing and other visual anomalies that can occur.
Only if they are having those issues...

Anecdotes contribute nothing to this conversation.
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Only if they are having those issues...
Anecdotes contribute nothing to this conversation.

In truth, the average idiot wouldn't even know what to look for. They are too busy having their mind blown out the back of their skull from the game they are playing.
    
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