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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

You say that with such emphasis, as if I am the ONLY....
I =/= Only in this case.
In truth, most people should play with VSync to prevent tearing and other visual anomalies that can occur.

I play with V-Sync on also, eliminates tearing.

Far Cry 3 for me plays better with VSync on as well.
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I play with V-Sync on also, eliminates tearing.
Far Cry 3 for me plays better with VSync on as well.

Exactly my point...

But apparently I am the only one.........right...
    
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I play with vsync ON as well, in fact dynamic vsync now that I've found the glorious RadeonPro. That doesn't change the fact that comparing graphics cards with vsync ON is not very wise if you want to see the real variations in their performance.
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In truth, the average idiot wouldn't even know what to look for. They are too busy having their mind blown out the back of their skull from the game they are playing.
What in the world does that have to do with this discussion?
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Exactly my point...
But apparently I am the only one.........right...

Your not the only one bro, its just pointless to bench with vsynch on cause you wont be able to gauge how good a GPU is for future more intensive gaming. If we tested with vsynch on in all games than my little 660ti would be equal with a 7970, 690, 6990, ect in most games and that is just a load of crap.
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The fanboy rants are at comedic levels. I’ve had one 7950 and two 7970s and all had pretty bad frame latency issues which you could see/feel...so this doesnt surprise me. IMO frametime is just as important as FPS...and they are inherently correlated. This is at 2560x1600 and 4960x1600. GTX vram bandwidth is disappointing the latency is better. This is just my experience. FYI...the previous two generations I was on AMD/ATI cards so I have no inherent preference. Havent owned a geforce since 8800.
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Actually frame latency has been far better this gen than previous generations with AMD cards so it should be much better than you've seen in the past.

I haven't really had a problem with smoothness on a single card. I would say that its mostly an issue compared to Nvidia in crossfire but there are workarounds.
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You say that with such emphasis, as if I am the ONLY....
I =/= Only in this case.
In truth, most people should play with VSync to prevent tearing and other visual anomalies that can occur.

Vsync won't really eliminate smoothness issues or microstutter all of the time. You really need to cap the framerate with something like RadeonPro or the old fpslimiter or Afterburner.
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post #308 of 745
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Irrationality has no place here. You're spouting nonsense; pardon me for calling you out on it.
It doesn't make yours the truth either. Seriously, how many people do you think would legitimately believe that Nvidia forced their hand in this? The idea is completely ludicrous.
That's fine, and I agree that headroom is important to note. That has nothing to do with what's been exposed here. Do you know how time consuming it would be to expose every pro and con of an architecture? I'd imagine it'd be quite arduous.
Just because your idea of a fair and balanced review differs from theirs does not mean that they are biased. Let's take a look at what you're wanting here:
  • Vsync — is it a requirement for reviews to use vsync to avoid bias?
  • Triple buffering — is it a requirement for reviews to use triple buffering to avoid bias?
  • Third party software — how much handholding is necessary for AMD to be painted in a good light here? Hold on guys, they didn't run Game Booster, their results are invalid! What a childish request.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, You have no argument.

We can go on like this forever. Yours is not the truth, mine is not the truth. Not really argumentive. It is not uncommon for a publisher or manufacturer to pay for review outcomes. Perhaps you like to think the world is like fluffy bunny but money is the boss of this world. Happens all the time in various hardware and gaming reviews. So ludicrous is not a word that is even possible to use in this situation. Choose your words better.

Your opinion is as much nonsense as is mine. So please don't call mine nonsense when you're doing the same. Quite hypocritical.

No one is asking to exposre the architecture. You are making this discussion into that. These are two cards. If one is clocked on 10/12th of its potential and the other one is clocked on 9/12th of its potential you're doing it wrong. Just because a reference model is clocked a certain way doesn't mean the entire line up of that card is better or worse. Because that is what the review implies.

These two cards might be very close to eachother. The reviewer begins the review saying that. This means you have to be carefull of how you approach the testing. And he should have taken clockspeed into consideration. Especially stock clockspeed compared to average overclocking clockspeed. if both cards are known to be overclocked using that stock cooler to about 1150 or whatever then tou need to also make the clockspeeds even now. if the 660ti would OC to 1400 and the hd7950 to 1100 then this review would fall into place much more. No need to dig into the architecture at all. All you do is comparing apples with apples and not with oranges. That is all anyone could ask for.
 
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Now we talk about frame latency. If you look the previous review of tech report the frame latency is the same between current generation of gpus

The card didint work properly he shouldnt post it until he find the reason all the others is nonsenses.
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The fanboy rants are at comedic levels. I’ve had one 7950 and two 7970s and all had pretty bad frame latency issues which you could see/feel...so this doesnt surprise me. IMO frametime is just as important as FPS...and they are inherently correlated. This is at 2560x1600 and 4960x1600. GTX vram bandwidth is disappointing the latency is better. This is just my experience. FYI...the previous two generations I was on AMD/ATI cards so I have no inherent preference. Havent owned a geforce since 8800.

I've never seen any stutter in my rig. Framerates dropping on unoptimized games like PS2 to be sure, but no stutter.

I personally couldn't care between Nvidia and AMD either, the only reason I bought a 7970 is because 680's were so much pricier at the time that it couldn't be justified. When It comes to hardware I just want the best I can afford without reducing myself to a ramen diet.
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