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Perhaps you like to think the world is like fluffy bunny but money is the boss of this world. Happens all the time in various hardware and gaming reviews. So ludicrous is not a word that is even possible to use in this situation. Choose your words better.
You need to choose your words better. Nvidia "made them do this." Geez, what'd they do, bind and gag them? Nvidia can't force them, and in case you didn't notice, Scott Wasson doesn't particularly care for companies trying to skew the results of their products' testing.
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Your opinion is as much nonsense as is mine. So please don't call mine nonsense when you're doing the same. Quite hypocritical.
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Your opinion is saturated by illogical thinking. Therefore, it is in fact inferior to mine.
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No one is asking to exposre the architecture. You are making this discussion into that.
Way to completely miss what I said there.
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These are two cards. If one is clocked on 10/12th of its potential and the other one is clocked on 9/12th of its potential you're doing it wrong. Just because a reference model is clocked a certain way doesn't mean the entire line up of that card is better or worse. Because that is what the review implies.
Depends entirely on what you are trying to show. This review is about frame jitter, which has next to nothing to do with what you are complaining about.
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These two cards might be very close to eachother. The reviewer begins the review saying that. This means you have to be carefull of how you approach the testing. And he should have taken clockspeed into consideration. Especially stock clockspeed compared to average overclocking clockspeed. if both cards are known to be overclocked using that stock cooler to about 1150 or whatever then tou need to also make the clockspeeds even now. if the 660ti would OC to 1400 and the hd7950 to 1100 then this review would fall into place much more. No need to dig into the architecture at all. All you do is comparing apples with apples and not with oranges. That is all anyone could ask for.
Once again, my architecture remark has seemingly gone over your head.
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I think it's very hard to dismiss the complaints about the review.  Specially when it's easy to read it in the reply of the actual article in the OP link.  Some are comical. 

 

http://techreport.com/discussion/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited#metal

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I think it's very hard to dismiss the complaints about the review.  Specially when it's easy to read it in the reply of the actual article in the OP link.  Some are comical. 

http://techreport.com/discussion/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited#metal
Those guys are actually making valid points, and presenting them in a mature manner with evidence and sound reasoning to back them up. Here? Not so much.

I'd like to point out that there are also quite a few comments in there that are pretty similar to the garbage being spouted in here.
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Blah blah Nvidia this, blah blah AMD that. I really get tired of these discussions that lead nowhere because of people speculating off of other people's postulations, gesticulations, testicular juxtapositions, etc... I've only found two common truths out of all of it.

One: Some cards are better than others, but not specifically any manufacturer or reseller. Positions in the market change, and the lineups are not even.

Two: You want to plug and play? Nvidia. You want to play with your hardware because you think that's just as fun as gaming? AMD.

That is all.
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Blah blah Nvidia this, blah blah AMD that. I really get tired of these discussions that lead nowhere because of people speculating off of other people's postulations, gesticulations, testicular juxtapositions, etc... I've only found two common truths out of all of it.
One: Some cards are better than others, but not specifically any manufacturer or reseller. Positions in the market change, and the lineups are not even.
Two: You want to plug and play? Nvidia. You want to play with your hardware because you think that's just as fun as gaming? AMD.
That is all.

wouldn't that be one of your postulations.
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I'm not defending the content of the review. I really don't care. But calling out a reviewer for being on the take with absolutely zippy to support it and no reason at all to think it makes you a borderline bad person.
    
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wouldn't that be one of your postulations.

It would be, if it weren't something that pretty much anyone with any sense of objectivity could agree with.
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I play with vsync ON as well, in fact dynamic vsync now that I've found the glorious RadeonPro. That doesn't change the fact that comparing graphics cards with vsync ON is not very wise if you want to see the real variations in their performance.

When their entire article is based on a phenomenon that only occurs without vsync, and is then played out like it is some general case, that is the quintessential example of bias.

Please tell me, why does the article not mention what happens when it is turned on? Given how important being off is to their testing methods, there should be several paragraphs of discussion on this point. Instead there is one sentence barely mentioning it. I say this in seriousness: if you can answer this question, you have a chance of convincing everyone here in this thread that the article is not biased. As is, their review is totally irrelevant to a large fraction of people looking to choose between the two cards.

And pray tell why testing with vsync on is "not wise" when they are testing sub 60 FPS?

The amount of uninformed people spouting off in this thread is astonishing.
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Actually frame latency has been far better this gen than previous generations with AMD cards so it should be much better than you've seen in the past.
I haven't really had a problem with smoothness on a single card. I would say that its mostly an issue compared to Nvidia in crossfire but there are workarounds.

Simply not my experience...frametimes varies significantly more on all the 7 series cards I had. Two of the three were in March/April so the drivers probably weren't optimized but that is moot imo. If the card/drivers are not performing well then they should not be put out in the market. I had a Ghz shortly after they were released and although it was a powerful card it did not play as smooth as the 680 I had at the time. FPS were equivalent or better on the Ghz but it didn't feel faster. The fraps screentime data backed up my experience but the actual experience is more subjective in that area imo (not everyone experience stutter the same). It was notable for me, so I returned the Ghz card.

Again, the vram bandwidth of this generation of nvidia card is really disappointing (and keeping me for sli with this gen). Both camps have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm glad we do have a choice...competition is always good for consumer.
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I've never seen any stutter in my rig. Framerates dropping on unoptimized games like PS2 to be sure, but no stutter.
I personally couldn't care between Nvidia and AMD either, the only reason I bought a 7970 is because 680's were so much pricier at the time that it couldn't be justified. When It comes to hardware I just want the best...

I'm happy you haven't had any issues...my experiences simply differ. I am definitely not bashing the 7000 series cards...just trying to share my experience. I totally agree with your later statement...I too just want the best. However, this is situations/subjective in my ways (e.g. best for 1080p is not necessarily the best for 1600p). To each their own, but the misinformation from fanboys is frustrating as it's not helping anyone and seems counter intuitive. Just one person's opinion.
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It is odd you had those experiences. One of the strengths of the 7970 is that it's min. frames are usually good compared to the 680. In fact I t hink that's the reason it goes over the top in most benchmarks.

Could be just a random configuration thing in your PC. I've owned a 7970 and 670 and to be quite honest I can't tell the difference between them in game at all. I'm sure the 7970 has slightly better framerates but the overall experiences are identical. Only reason I've switched to Nvidia is SGSSAA. Literally the only reason.
    
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