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This is hilarious. Homeles finally comes in and posts some straight-forward common sense, and then the AMD die-hards start arguing that v-sync should be used! laughingsmiley.gif
Right, that's how they're going to compare what each card can do, by limiting each one's performance rolleyes.gif. Nice representation of each card's different behavior by having v-sync enabled. Wonderful try.
So many desperate people in here. And for what? So you can deny Nvidia's better Windows 8 drivers and latencies? Is it really so hard to believe Nvidia has better Windows 8 drivers and tighter latencies? Obviously not, since we've all seen a review where the Nvidia card had lower fps but the reviewer specifically said they'd still prefer the Nvidia one because it was "smoother".Well, this review shows why.

Couldn't have said it any better. I'm not sure why anyone would be so passionate over a video card company. In windows 8 the 660 ti matches the 7950. Get over It amd diehards. I really want to see a 1400 core 660ti benched
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If some people just stepped off their pedestal and learned to co-exist with us lowly Nvidia owners then this thread would be a much nicer place. The only review from TTR you don't like the results of should've used v-sync? should've done this? should've done that? Well you know what? They didn't. Different results occur under different testing methods. And these are the results we get from this particular set of testing criteria. Would results differ had the criteria differed? Of course, that could be said for any test. Sure that's common sense, but that's also not the point of this review.

These are the results of this particular test- at this moment in time, the 660 runs way smoother for Windows 8 than the 7950. If you don't like it then that's no one's fault but your own, especially not the reviewer's fault though, who even blatantly admitted they didn't even believe the results either, yet tried multiple times and still produced the same results.
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post #353 of 745
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Originally Posted by dph314 View Post

This is hilarious. Homeles finally comes in and posts some straight-forward common sense, and then the AMD die-hards start arguing that v-sync should be used! laughingsmiley.gif
Right, that's how they're going to compare what each card can do, by limiting each one's performance rolleyes.gif. Nice representation of each card's different behavior by having v-sync enabled. Wonderful try.
So many desperate people in here. And for what? So you can deny Nvidia's better Windows 8 drivers and latencies? Is it really so hard to believe Nvidia has better Windows 8 drivers and tighter latencies? Obviously not, since we've all seen a review where the Nvidia card had lower fps but the reviewer specifically said they'd still prefer the Nvidia one because it was "smoother".Well, this review shows why.

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Pretty accurate summary of this thread lachen.gif

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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

Couldn't have said it any better. I'm not sure why anyone would be so passionate over a video card company. In windows 8 the 660 ti matches the 7950. Get over It amd diehards. I really want to see a 1400 core 660ti benched

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If some people just stepped off their pedestal and learned to co-exist with us lowly Nvidia owners then this thread would be a much nicer place. The only review from TTR you don't like the results of should've used v-sync? should've done this? should've done that? Well you know what? They didn't. Different results occur under different testing methods. And these are the results we get from this particular set of testing criteria. Would results differ had the criteria differed? Of course, that could be said for any test. Sure that's common sense, but that's also not the point of this review.
These are the results of this particular test- at this moment in time, the 660 runs way smoother for Windows 8 than the 7950. If you don't like it then that's no one's fault but your own, especially not the reviewer's fault though, who even blatantly admitted they didn't even believe the results either, yet tried multiple times and still produced the same results.

What an attack on AMD fans..

Completely disregarding people pointing out that the 7950's performance is much better then what was portrayed, and also that the reviewer obviously has issues with AMD products.

Seriously if you can't pick you the blunt bashing on the video card before the review even got to the results, then I would high recommend reading some more books so you can start detecting these sort of things.

Nvidea fans are just as bad as AMD fans snatching the first opportunity to get on your high seats and be absolute pricks about it. If there are driver issues At the moment, I'm sure AMD are working their asses off to solve it and get their drivers right if it is the case.

AMD fans understand the situation, that the 660ti is an excellent card in that review, very well done. But I can't see how a review can be possibly acceptable when it doesn't even say the one awesome selling point of the 7950, which is that it can be crazily overclocked stably, and people are very happy with that. It gives a very narrow perspective to the capabilities of both cards, for example that the 660ti in this case can not overclock much further which it should have said. You quite simply CANNOT over look this issue and others.

Now stop acting all high up and looking down on other people who are possibly forwarding valid opinions on the topic because I'm quite sick of it. If you want to reject someone premise, all well and good, but no need to be *******s about it.
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They use different areas. Read the review before posting.

This should not matter. The 7950 has more memory bandwidth, and more vram. The frame latency should most definitly be lower than it was reported. The issue has to be with Windows 8. There is no other explanation, especially with the comparisons shown in the post you quoted. Something is amiss in TR land.


EDIT: After further research, I'd like to point something out to most of the AMD/nvidia fans on this forum.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html

Read through those graphs. What I'm seeing is weird phenomena where the 660 Ti actually beats a 7950 at lower resolutions, but when you start cranking up the resolution, the 7950 pulls ahead. This makes sense, seeing as the cards are in a virtual tie in price. So one can assume that if you pit a heavily overclocked 660 Ti against a stock 7950 (albeit with boost), the 660 Ti is going to walk all over the 7950.

In other words, the review is biased, and I have to believe that the review was actually funded and asked to be reviewed by nvidia as a last ditch effort to hurt AMD video card sales. If it wasn't, then you still cannot discredit the fact that the review was done with a stock 7950 vs. a monster overclocked 660 Ti. I bet if you pit them against each other, stock for stock or even max OC vs. max OC, you will find that the playing field levels out with the 7950 boost becoming the victor at higher resolutions.

As a cautionary note, I could be completely wrong, and TR may have not had any ulterior motive. However, no professional review site would really believe it's a good idea to pit only 2 cards against each other, with one of them being virtually stock, and the other being the model with the highest overclock of any similar model card on the market today. That's a terrible idea, regardless of listed price. Also, it strikes me as a little funny that at the end of the article, the reviewer acts surprised at the results while this review not only confirms TR's findings, but it also shows that if either card is overclocked even a little, it will pull ahead. Naturally, the 660 Ti with a huge overclock comes out on top.

Please look at other reviews before making further posts. There is a logical explanation for all of this, but most of you are not taking the time to research the issue. Please do a little homework before posting again. Thanks.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 12/8/12 at 6:52am
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What an attack on AMD fans..

Completely disregarding people pointing out that the 7950's performance is much better then what was portrayed, and also that the reviewer obviously has issues with AMD products.

Seriously if you can't pick you the blunt bashing on the video card before the review even got to the results, then I would high recommend reading some more books so you can start detecting these sort of things.

Nvidea fans are just as bad as AMD fans snatching the first opportunity to get on your high seats and be absolute pricks about it. If there are driver issues At the moment, I'm sure AMD are working their asses off to solve it and get their drivers right if it is the case.

AMD fans understand the situation, that the 660ti is an excellent card in that review, very well done. But I can't see how a review can be possibly acceptable when it doesn't even say the one awesome selling point of the 7950, which is that it can be crazily overclocked stably, and people are very happy with that. It gives a very narrow perspective to the capabilities of both cards, for example that the 660ti in this case can not overclock much further which it should have said. You quite simply CANNOT over look this issue and others.

Now stop acting all high up and looking down on other people who are possibly forwarding valid opinions on the topic because I'm quite sick of it. If you want to reject someone premise, all well and good, but no need to be *******s about it.

Don't try to put words in anyone's mouth. No one's attacking any fans. People are trying to calm down people shouting "bias, unfair, AMD is way better!, reviewer is dumb! 660 sucks!" Not every single AMD fan out there. So stop trying to get everyone on your side by turning them against us. And don't be all civilized now and pretend that everyone else has been. Excuse after excuse has been thrown out there, and for a respectable site's results, just because people don't agree. The high and mighty AMD cards simply cannot have such bad Windows 8 latencies/drivers Well, apparently TTR disagrees, and is confident in their results, hence why they posted them. So until you have some proof to the contrary, your arguments mean nothing.

And how many times must it be said that different results occur under different testing conditions? This wasn't a max overclock test, so stop trying to make it one. But on a side-note, even with an overclock on the 7950, it's pretty clear the 660 would still be way smoother regardless of even a ~10fps difference thumb.gif
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Don't try to put words in anyone's mouth. No one's attacking any fans. People are trying to calm down people shouting "bias, unfair, AMD is way better!, reviewer is dumb! 660 sucks!" Not every single AMD fan out there. So stop trying to get everyone on your side by turning them against us. And don't be all civilized now and pretend that everyone else has been. Excuse after excuse has been thrown out there, and for a respectable site's results, just because people don't agree. The high and mighty AMD cards simply cannot have such bad Windows 8 latencies/drivers Well, apparently TTR disagrees, and is confident in their results, hence why they posted them. So until you have some proof to the contrary, your arguments mean nothing.
And how many times must it be said that different results occur under different testing conditions? This wasn't a max overclock test, so stop trying to make it one. But on a side-note, even with an overclock on the 7950, it's pretty clear the 660 would still be way smoother regardless of even a ~10fps difference thumb.gif

Let him rant. It's not worth a retort
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They use different areas. Read the review before posting.

Which draws the question of which "area" is the correct "area" for the review?  But lets not overlook the obvious on consistency.  Needless to say one area of the game does good and the other not so much depending on the card used.

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Don't try to put words in anyone's mouth. No one's attacking any fans. People are trying to calm down people shouting "bias, unfair, AMD is way better!, reviewer is dumb! 660 sucks!" Not every single AMD fan out there. So stop trying to get everyone on your side by turning them against us. And don't be all civilized now and pretend that everyone else has been. Excuse after excuse has been thrown out there, and for a respectable site's results, just because people don't agree. The high and mighty AMD cards simply cannot have such bad Windows 8 latencies/drivers Well, apparently TTR disagrees, and is confident in their results, hence why they posted them. So until you have some proof to the contrary, your arguments mean nothing.
And how many times must it be said that different results occur under different testing conditions? This wasn't a max overclock test, so stop trying to make it one. But on a side-note, even with an overclock on the 7950, it's pretty clear the 660 would still be way smoother regardless of even a ~10fps difference thumb.gif

No one said the 660ti sucks, its actually a brilliant card.
People aren't shouting bias, unfair, amd is way better, yet actually discussing and stating, that the performance was not as good as it should be also if your solution is to call them fanboys and idiots thats a great way to calm down people thumb.gif

As confident as TR are that they are right, people are just as confident that somethings incredibly wrong with the review and that gives no right to others to ignore these protests just because people find something fishy.

Never said to overclock them and see which ones better, but I said that you cannot fail to mention that it can be overclocked. Also which part did you miss that if something was wrong with drivers at this current time(which im sure will be fixed soon if its the case), its hardly fair to declare that this is the winner of all time.

Now lets stop arguing about whose right it is to express themselves.
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Let him rant. It's not worth a retort

Here we go again. Swing a punch at people and act immature about it when they punch you back thumb.gif
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Don't try to put words in anyone's mouth. No one's attacking any fans. People are trying to calm down people shouting "bias, unfair, AMD is way better!, reviewer is dumb! 660 sucks!" Not every single AMD fan out there. So stop trying to get everyone on your side by turning them against us. And don't be all civilized now and pretend that everyone else has been. Excuse after excuse has been thrown out there, and for a respectable site's results, just because people don't agree. The high and mighty AMD cards simply cannot have such bad Windows 8 latencies/drivers Well, apparently TTR disagrees, and is confident in their results, hence why they posted them. So until you have some proof to the contrary, your arguments mean nothing.
And how many times must it be said that different results occur under different testing conditions? This wasn't a max overclock test, so stop trying to make it one. But on a side-note, even with an overclock on the 7950, it's pretty clear the 660 would still be way smoother regardless of even a ~10fps difference thumb.gif

Actually, it isn't so clear cut. When you crank up the resolution and setting, frame latencies get higher for any card. If you pit the cards against each other, either stock vs. stock, or max oc vs. max oc, you will probably get a picture where the cards are eerily similar, both in framerates and latencies. However, when you pit a heavily oc'd 660 ti vs. a stock 7950, the 660 ti is going to have higher framerates, which will in turn translate into lower latency. If those framerates were to drop, the latency would go up. It's a very logical conclusion.

But lets try and stop being biased here. The review was done with a 660 ti with a heavy overclock compared to a stock 7950 with boost. That, alone, brings the motives of the reviewer into question.
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