Originally Posted by ulnevrgtit
I had the cards in multiple machines, numerous times on fresh win7 installs. I think it's either down to the drivers at the time, as AMD's have evolved significantly lately, or differing sensitivity to stutter/frametimes. Either way, I hope your enjoying your 670 and Im definitely not trying to knock the 7000 series...the 7970s I had were the most powerful cards I've owned. 680 had more finess at the time imo.
Too bad they weren't nearly as inexpensive when I got them as they are now. I paid $550 for the first reference 7970 I got, before the 680 launched. Same card can be found today for $379. AMD kinda pissed me off this round for that reason. I use to really look to them to provide bang for buck. Kinda sucked to find they only do it when pressed...not surprised I supposed. Again I'll say, competition is always good...fanboyism makes no sense. If the other company didnt exist you would likely be paying twice as much for your card, regardless which brand you prefer.
I did when they were first published and I agree. The Tahitis I owned were better than Cayman and Cypress, just not Kepler
...at least at the time of my testing. The variables involved make it very person, machine, resolution, driver, os, vendor, version, etc. dependent that no one persons or review site's experience will ever be definitive.
Originally Posted by ulnevrgtit
Simply not my experience...frametimes varies significantly more on all the 7 series cards I had. Two of the three were in March/April so the drivers probably weren't optimized but that is moot imo. If the card/drivers are not performing well then they should not be put out in the market. I had a Ghz shortly after they were released and although it was a powerful card it did not play as smooth as the 680 I had at the time. FPS were equivalent or better on the Ghz but it didn't feel faster. The fraps screentime data backed up my experience but the actual experience is more subjective in that area imo (not everyone experience stutter the same). It was notable for me, so I returned the Ghz card.
Again, the vram bandwidth of this generation of nvidia card is really disappointing (and keeping me for sli with this gen). Both camps have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm glad we do have a choice...competition is always good for consumer.
I'm happy you haven't had any issues...my experiences simply differ. I am definitely not bashing the 7000 series cards...just trying to share my experience. I totally agree with your later statement...I too just want the best. However, this is situations/subjective in my ways (e.g. best for 1080p is not necessarily the best for 1600p). To each their own, but the misinformation from fanboys is frustrating as it's not helping anyone and seems counter intuitive. Just one person's opinion.
When are people going to get off the "AMD Drivers suck!" wagon? I have been running the 7 series in some form or another since launch, and have never had a driver issue. In fact the last driver issue I had was with an Nvidia 470 not to long ago when I installed the latest stable drivers, performance took a horrible poop. I had to roll back to 296.10.
Aside from that ONE issue, I haven't had a driver issue with either Nvidia or AMD in many years. In truth, I think most "driver issues" people run into are really "user issues", and the fact people don't properly install them, don't have their configurations correct, or are having an underlying system issue.
Originally Posted by Forceman
Using that logic, all
reviews are useless to half the people, because none
of them test with Vsync on. Why? Because it is pointless to test that way. Hey look, the GTX 680 got an average of 60 FPS. Wow, so did the HD 7970. Oh, the 7950 and GTX 670 did also? Good to know.
Actually it would be extremely useful for people to have access to that information. Not everyone can throw down $400+ dollars on a new GPU, just so they know they can hold a nice smooth frame rate. On top of this; not a lot of people know what cards can do this without reviews, that is why they come ask us! If people could look at a review and go "Alright, I am playing these games and...."
"Bingo! The 660 Ti will hold that 60 fps just fine, I can buy it instead of the 680. "
The other benefit in reviews that use VSync is minimum frame rates. When the Nvidia 600 series first launched there was an issue with minimum frame rates falling through the floor with VSync on. Was this mentioned in but a handful of reviews? NOPE! It was hardly mentioned, god forbid that got out! Turning VSync on doesn't just tell the card to cap at the refresh rate of the display, it can literally impact the entire performance of the card, which is very relevant!Edited by PostalTwinkie - 12/8/12 at 8:17am