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Lol this thread took a even more comical turn. Cant believe the vsynce argument is even still being discussed.

I stand by the fact having one disagreement with someone does not make you forever bias. Either way though as someone already pointed out they also had an issue with Nvidia in the past so why would that not even out?

Truth is microstutter is being finally proven. When I had my HD 7870 and my 6970 I noticed lots of micro stutter. I even posted tons of threads asking for advice on whats going on. I never believed the micro stutter exagerated hate from Nvidia guys....Until I actually switched, now I cant believe AMD has not corrected this issue. Avg FPS is not the whole story.
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I was looking at this specific one on amazon.com I can't really say if it will fit in my PC Box as you stated.

Here's the one I was looking at ~ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006O714G2/sr=8-2/qid=1354981267/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1354981267&seller=&sr=8-2

If I should go for a different one like a Newer Nvidia Model. Any suggested one that could handle newer games like Skyrim on Very High, or Far Cry 3 on High?
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Well, I don't claim to know anything about GPU's, and that's because I don't! But doesn't this just come down to the current status of drivers. I mean, if AMD gets there drivers tuned up, we could be looking at different results. Couldn't we? If this is the case, I'm not sure why anyone could get so worked up over one review. I'm sure there will be more to follow with the release of new drivers, and most likely with different outcomes.smile.gif
But then again, I don't know what I'm talking about.biggrin.gif
 
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I was looking at this specific one on amazon.com I can't really say if it will fit in my PC Box as you stated.
Here's the one I was looking at ~ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006O714G2/sr=8-2/qid=1354981267/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1354981267&seller=&sr=8-2
If I should go for a different one like a Newer Nvidia Model. Any suggested one that could handle newer games like Skyrim on Very High, or Far Cry 3 on High?

Please post a seperate thread for advice on building or improving a rig. This is a news artical section, and your going way off topic.

And welcome to the site, hope you stay ahwile these guys have alot of great info. thumb.gif
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Why doesn't someone with a 7950 and Win 7 test latency for themselves? It should clear up the situation for many people.
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Lol this thread took a even more comical turn. Cant believe the vsynce argument is even still being discussed.
I stand by the fact having one disagreement with someone does not make you forever bias. Either way though as someone already pointed out they also had an issue with Nvidia in the past so why would that not even out?
Truth is microstutter is being finally proven. When I had my HD 7870 and my 6970 I noticed lots of micro stutter. I even posted tons of threads asking for advice on whats going on. I never believed the micro stutter exagerated hate from Nvidia guys....Until I actually switched, now I cant believe AMD has not corrected this issue. Avg FPS is not the whole story.

What i can't understand is how can something like this go unnoticed by many people who own AMDs, I for one am genuinely concerned as my hd 7970 vapor x arrives in a week. and i put in a good amount of money into it.
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Techreport did not consider it important to test on Windows 7. Why would that be given the majority of users are on Windows 7. And looking at the not so good reviews Windows 8 is getting as a desktop OS , users are not going to be eager to rush to Windows 8.

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/windows-8-disappointing-usability-both-novice-and-power-users/
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/Windows-8-best-to-pass-it-up-review-4025070.php

With other review sites the data is clear. HD 7950 boost matches GTX 670.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7950_X2_Boost/28.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page12.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_driver_comparison_roundup/8

TR should test with Windows 7 and then we will know if the same applies to Windows 7 performance.
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What i can't understand is how can something like this go unnoticed by many people who own AMDs, I for one am genuinely concerned as my hd 7970 vapor x arrives in a week. and i put in a good amount of money into it.

Me as well. I bought my son a 7950 for Christmas.
 
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This thread has derailed so much from the original discussion it's not even funny.

Now that we're discussing microstuttering.

My old HD5870 had stuttering when running high framerates (anything above 50FPS would stutter), but Catalyst 11.6s fixed it. Since then, it only suttered on few games, and I attribute that to my processor, not the graphics card.

Skyrim was one particularly stuttery game on the 5870. Switching to a 6950 2GB (I had to RMA the poor 5870) didn't help, it still stuttered the same. I could run higher settings before it started to stutter, though. (memory bandwidth starved?).

Other games, I noticed an improvement on the matter, even though it still happened on some games (Skyrim for instance, Unreal Tournament 3, Call of Duty MW2, Bad Company 2 under lots of action).

But since Catalyst 12.11 beta (from the 1st beta actually), that stuttering is absolutely gone, with the exception of Planetside 2 (stutters like hell when the FPS pointer shows it's my CPU that's a bottleneck, and lowering graphical settings doesn't help, at all. In some cases it's even worse).


So, my personal experience has been good. The stuttering the HD6950 has is noticeable when frames drop to low 40s mid 30s, but even then, it's not overly annoying. As soon as the frames climb above the 45FPS mark, any stuttering is gone.


Of course, I cannot compare it to nVIDIA though, as the last card I owned from the green team was a 8800GT. Which still runs like a freaking champ I must say.
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I had the cards in multiple machines, numerous times on fresh win7 installs. I think it's either down to the drivers at the time, as AMD's have evolved significantly lately, or differing sensitivity to stutter/frametimes. Either way, I hope your enjoying your 670 and Im definitely not trying to knock the 7000 series...the 7970s I had were the most powerful cards I've owned. 680 had more finess at the time imo.
Too bad they weren't nearly as inexpensive when I got them as they are now. I paid $550 for the first reference 7970 I got, before the 680 launched. Same card can be found today for $379. AMD kinda pissed me off this round for that reason. I use to really look to them to provide bang for buck. Kinda sucked to find they only do it when pressed...not surprised I supposed. Again I'll say, competition is always good...fanboyism makes no sense. If the other company didnt exist you would likely be paying twice as much for your card, regardless which brand you prefer.
EDIT:
I did when they were first published and I agree. The Tahitis I owned were better than Cayman and Cypress, just not Kepler smile.gif...at least at the time of my testing. The variables involved make it very person, machine, resolution, driver, os, vendor, version, etc. dependent that no one persons or review site's experience will ever be definitive.

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Simply not my experience...frametimes varies significantly more on all the 7 series cards I had. Two of the three were in March/April so the drivers probably weren't optimized but that is moot imo. If the card/drivers are not performing well then they should not be put out in the market. I had a Ghz shortly after they were released and although it was a powerful card it did not play as smooth as the 680 I had at the time. FPS were equivalent or better on the Ghz but it didn't feel faster. The fraps screentime data backed up my experience but the actual experience is more subjective in that area imo (not everyone experience stutter the same). It was notable for me, so I returned the Ghz card.
Again, the vram bandwidth of this generation of nvidia card is really disappointing (and keeping me for sli with this gen). Both camps have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm glad we do have a choice...competition is always good for consumer.
I'm happy you haven't had any issues...my experiences simply differ. I am definitely not bashing the 7000 series cards...just trying to share my experience. I totally agree with your later statement...I too just want the best. However, this is situations/subjective in my ways (e.g. best for 1080p is not necessarily the best for 1600p). To each their own, but the misinformation from fanboys is frustrating as it's not helping anyone and seems counter intuitive. Just one person's opinion.

When are people going to get off the "AMD Drivers suck!" wagon? I have been running the 7 series in some form or another since launch, and have never had a driver issue. In fact the last driver issue I had was with an Nvidia 470 not to long ago when I installed the latest stable drivers, performance took a horrible poop. I had to roll back to 296.10.

Aside from that ONE issue, I haven't had a driver issue with either Nvidia or AMD in many years. In truth, I think most "driver issues" people run into are really "user issues", and the fact people don't properly install them, don't have their configurations correct, or are having an underlying system issue.
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Using that logic, all reviews are useless to half the people, because none of them test with Vsync on. Why? Because it is pointless to test that way. Hey look, the GTX 680 got an average of 60 FPS. Wow, so did the HD 7970. Oh, the 7950 and GTX 670 did also? Good to know. rolleyes.gif

Actually it would be extremely useful for people to have access to that information. Not everyone can throw down $400+ dollars on a new GPU, just so they know they can hold a nice smooth frame rate. On top of this; not a lot of people know what cards can do this without reviews, that is why they come ask us! If people could look at a review and go "Alright, I am playing these games and...."

"Bingo! The 660 Ti will hold that 60 fps just fine, I can buy it instead of the 680. "

The other benefit in reviews that use VSync is minimum frame rates. When the Nvidia 600 series first launched there was an issue with minimum frame rates falling through the floor with VSync on. Was this mentioned in but a handful of reviews? NOPE! It was hardly mentioned, god forbid that got out! Turning VSync on doesn't just tell the card to cap at the refresh rate of the display, it can literally impact the entire performance of the card, which is very relevant!
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