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whats wrong with the 7970?

I love the card, the performance is insane, so much so that I could step down in performance and not miss it. The drawback is that the MSi 7970 OC is something close to 14" long....it literally can't fit in an ITX case and many Mid-Towers.

I am seriously considering jumping down from my current sig rig to something like....

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I went from an i3 2100 to this a few months ago, and honestly, the performance difference is pretty meaningless. As I said in another post, hardware is so powerful right now that we have in most cases excess!

The only problem is I wouldn't be able to run a Sound Blaster Z, as your ITX boards don't have a PCI slot for them. mad.gif
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I had the cards in multiple machines, numerous times on fresh win7 installs. I think it's either down to the drivers at the time, as AMD's have evolved significantly lately, or differing sensitivity to stutter/frametimes. Either way, I hope your enjoying your 670 and Im definitely not trying to knock the 7000 series...the 7970s I had were the most powerful cards I've owned. 680 had more finess at the time imo.
Too bad they weren't nearly as inexpensive when I got them as they are now. I paid $550 for the first reference 7970 I got, before the 680 launched. Same card can be found today for $379. AMD kinda pissed me off this round for that reason. I use to really look to them to provide bang for buck. Kinda sucked to find they only do it when pressed...not surprised I supposed. Again I'll say, competition is always good...fanboyism makes no sense. If the other company didnt exist you would likely be paying twice as much for your card, regardless which brand you prefer.
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I did when they were first published and I agree. The Tahitis I owned were better than Cayman and Cypress, just not Kepler smile.gif...at least at the time of my testing. The variables involved make it very person, machine, resolution, driver, os, vendor, version, etc. dependent that no one persons or review site's experience will ever be definitive.
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Simply not my experience...frametimes varies significantly more on all the 7 series cards I had. Two of the three were in March/April so the drivers probably weren't optimized but that is moot imo. If the card/drivers are not performing well then they should not be put out in the market. I had a Ghz shortly after they were released and although it was a powerful card it did not play as smooth as the 680 I had at the time. FPS were equivalent or better on the Ghz but it didn't feel faster. The fraps screentime data backed up my experience but the actual experience is more subjective in that area imo (not everyone experience stutter the same). It was notable for me, so I returned the Ghz card.
Again, the vram bandwidth of this generation of nvidia card is really disappointing (and keeping me for sli with this gen). Both camps have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm glad we do have a choice...competition is always good for consumer.
I'm happy you haven't had any issues...my experiences simply differ. I am definitely not bashing the 7000 series cards...just trying to share my experience. I totally agree with your later statement...I too just want the best. However, this is situations/subjective in my ways (e.g. best for 1080p is not necessarily the best for 1600p). To each their own, but the misinformation from fanboys is frustrating as it's not helping anyone and seems counter intuitive. Just one person's opinion.

When are people going to get off the "AMD Drivers suck!" wagon? I have been running the 7 series in some form or another since launch, and have never had a driver issue. In fact the last driver issue I had was with an Nvidia 470 not to long ago when I installed the latest stable drivers, performance took a horrible poop. I had to roll back to 296.10.

Aside from that ONE issue, I haven't had a driver issue with either Nvidia or AMD in many years. In truth, I think most "driver issues" people run into are really "user issues", and the fact people don't properly install them, don't have their configurations correct, or are having an underlying system issue.
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...When are people going to get off the "AMD Drivers suck!" wagon?...

When they stop sucking. It's widely cited and accepted that AMD has more driver issues than Nvidia. That has been my experience as well. Both camps have issues but regarding drivers AMD seems to have more.
post #393 of 745
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I love the card, the performance is insane, so much so that I could step down in performance and not miss it. The drawback is that the MSi 7970 OC is something close to 14" long....it literally can't fit in an ITX case and many Mid-Towers.
I am seriously considering jumping down from my current sig rig to something like....
BitFenix Prodigy
i3 Ivy Bridge
Zotac 670 shorty
Air cooling
I went from an i3 2100 to this a few months ago, and honestly, the performance difference is pretty meaningless. As I said in another post, hardware is so powerful right now that we have in most cases excess!
The only problem is I wouldn't be able to run a Sound Blaster Z, as your ITX boards don't have a PCI slot for them. mad.gif
i see what you mean, it is quite a power hungry card smile.gif
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There is a lot of misconceptions in the above. First, why would you limit your FPS to 62 with vsync off? Are you under the mistaken impression that it reduces tearing?
Secondly, neither adaptive vsync or dynamic vsync are optimal solutions. What you want is vsync with triple buffering if your game supports it, or forced via D3D overrider or RadeonPro.
Lastly, vsync + triple buffering introduces minimal input lag.
I suggest reading anandtech's article on triple buffering, for starters before trying to spout off nonsense: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2794

Son, we limit fps with Vsync off because anything beyond that on 60hz monitors is wasted elec, heat and stress on the card plus Vsync introduces input-lag... There's already enough lag with LCD monitors to begin with, there's no need to introduce more. On top of that, traditional Vsync doesn't allow 50 or 55 fps when the card can't handle 60 or more so it drops down to 30fps which is even worse...

What we want is Dynamic Vsync, not input-lagging Vsync+triple buffering. RadeonPro's Dynamic Vsync reduces micro-stuttering and allows for the benefits of Vsync without the input lag or frame rate switching. Nvidia's Adaptive Vsync just turns on/off Vsync when it's over/under 60fps. RadeonPro's Dynamic Vsync offers the ability to sync the frame rates even when below 60fps at any setting you choose. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329-10.html
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When they stop sucking. It's widely cited and accepted that AMD has more driver issues than Nvidia. That has been my experience as well. Both camps have issues but regarding drivers AMD seems to have more.

Uh...no...

Just because the mindless masses accept something, doesn't actually make it true. If AMD driver issues were even a fraction as bad as people make them out to be, then we would see it in every review published.

You people literally come into every AMD thread and constantly "Well the AMD driver issues I experienced....", and you do it in mass. I am comfortable saying that I run through hardware far more than the average person, and other than my previously cited Nvidia issue, haven't ran into problems with either AMD or Nvidia in years. Then again, I know what I am doing and tend to properly install and configure my hardware.
    
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I dont know why people even bother with micro-stutter.

1) Most cant tell the difference.
2) Stutter which you have in some games like FC3 is not micro stutter. They are different things.
3) If you can tell micro stutter you are a elitist and need to stick to single GPU setups.
4) I have had many CFX setups (4870s, HD 6970s, HD 6990. HD 7970s) and with the exception of some game which where fixed with driver updates i never had any problems running them.
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When they stop sucking. It's widely cited and accepted that AMD has more driver issues than Nvidia. That has been my experience as well. Both camps have issues but regarding drivers AMD seems to have more.

Uh...no...

Just because the mindless masses accept something, doesn't actually make it true. If AMD driver issues were even a fraction as bad as people make them out to be, then we would see it in every review published.


You people literally come into every AMD thread and constantly "Well the AMD driver issues I experienced....", and you do it in mass. I am comfortable saying that I run through hardware far more than the average person, and other than my previously cited Nvidia issue, haven't ran into problems with either AMD or Nvidia in years. Then again, I know what I am doing and tend to properly install and configure my hardware.

My opionion is based on my personnel experience. It is just supported by a lot of other users and reviewers (aka...mindless masses according to you). I think you might be in a state of denial. Maybe you should consider that the masses may be on to something. If so many people are saying the same thing than than it just might be true. You response kind of restates my point...it just includes your bias.

I'm sure if we all had you around to install and configure our hardware/software then no one would have any issues rolleyes.gif
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When I had CF 6970s I didn't notice any stuttering at all, that I could see at least.
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When I had CF 6970s I didn't notice any stuttering at all, that I could see at least.
I did. 6970's in Xfire was horrid in some games.It was not my CPU either I had them paired with a 2500k at 4.8GHz.

It was very annoying in some games, while in others I did not notice it as much.
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I did. 6970's in Xfire was horrid in some games.It was not my CPU either I had them paired with a 2500k at 4.8GHz.
It was very annoying in some games, while in others I did not notice it as much.
That's too bad. What resolution did you play at? I used mine in eyefinity at 5760x1080. I had sold them by the time I switched back to one monitor.
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