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12/10/12 at 8:56pm

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What about Far Cry 3? That's an "AMD optimized" game, but the 660 Ti comes out ahead there:
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page3.html
The 7950 Boost is faster overclocked, but out of the box they are very close, and the 660 Ti beats the non-boost card out of the box.
No, at stock they are very close.

let it go already sheesh...not hardly anyone here play games at stock spec...omg...stop already...

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12/10/12 at 8:59pm

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Originally Posted by Raptorpowa

let it go already sheesh...

Why should I let it go when you won't? At stock, out of the box, the cards are very close. That's not a bad thing for AMD, so why are you so adamant to deny it? We all agree the 7950 pulls ahead when overclocked.

Both of the comments I replied to were about performance at stock. Again, the 7950 is faster when overclocked, but you can't sit here and say it is no competition against the 7950 at stock (as raghu said).
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12/10/12 at 9:01pm

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this is overclock.net? why are we talking about stock spec? post at hardwarestock.net?

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12/10/12 at 9:02pm

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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol

Borderlands 2, an nvidia optimized game, has the 660 Ti winning against a 7950? Such a shocker.

But in all reality, the 7950 is a faster card than a 660 ti. It just is.
They gave you facts in a very matter-of-fact way, and you take it as condescending? I read nothing that could have been construed as condescending from those guys. What in the world are you talking about?

Are you going to claim techreport was nvidia optimized too? It just is

Talk about defending brand loyalty! Maybe you should read it. Here is highlights from the conclusion

Everyone likes to talk where is the proof? Catch that part on the end about the drivers? It JUST IS

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/11

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This certainly isn't the outcome we expected going into this little exercise. Given AMD's expanded involvement with game developers and a claimed across-the-board increase in driver performance, we expected the Radeon HD 7950 to assert itself as the best choice in its class. Instead, the Radeon's performance was hampered by delays in frame delivery across a number of games.

Our first instinct upon seeing these results was to wonder if we hadn't somehow misconfigured our test systems or had some sort of failing hardware. We test Nvidia and AMD GPUs on separate but identical systems, so to confirm our numbers, we switched the cards between the systems and re-tested. The Radeons still exhibited the same patterns of frame latency, with no meaningful change in the results. We wondered about the possibility of a problem with our Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X card or its Boost BIOS causing the slowdowns, but swapping in an older, non-Boost Radeon HD 7950 card from MSI produced very similar results.

We're also quite confident the problem isn't confined to a single set of drivers

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12/10/12 at 9:04pm

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Originally Posted by Raptorpowa

this is overclock.net? why are we talking about stock spec? post at hardwarestock.net?

Are you even reading the actual posts at this point, or just blindly replying? They were the ones who referenced stock speeds. Not me. Them.

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12/10/12 at 9:07pm

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Originally Posted by Forceman

Are you even reading the actual posts at this point, or just blindly replying? They were the ones who referenced stock speeds. Not me. Them.

then, stop defending it, you're at overclock.net, the pursuit of performance, we don't play games at stock spec here.....

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7950 @ 1325mhz = 12303 GPU score
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5137480
670 @ 1325mhz = 10947 GPU score

Thanks for posting that. 7950 card population on 3dMark 11 website in the 10,000 range. 506. 2,169 in the 8000 range. 26 in the 12,650 range.

26.

26.

Thanks for posting those.

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then, stop defending it, you're at overclock.net, the pursuit of performance, we don't play games at stock spec here.....

I guess we don't make accurate statements either.

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let it go already sheesh...not hardly anyone here play games at stock spec...omg...stop already...

Actually, overclockers in general make up a very small population of users.

So.. yeah..

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Originally Posted by Motive

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsm106

7950 @ 1325mhz = 12303 GPU score
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5137480
670 @ 1325mhz = 10947 GPU score

Thanks for posting that. 7950 card population on 3dMark 11 website in the 10,000 range. 506. 2,169 in the 8000 range. 26 in the 12,650 range.

26.

26.

Thanks for posting those.

Hey dude? Those are full 3DMark scores and are reliant on the CPU too. $5 says more then 26 people got the graphics score that high.

What you should be looking at is the score in relation to the clock speed, then do some math.

12303 at 1325?
Average OC is 1250?
(12303 / 1325) * 1250 = 11606

1150?

(12303 / 1325) * 1150 = 10602

and so on.
Edited by KyadCK - 12/10/12 at 9:19pm

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