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post #671 of 745
12/11/12 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

They are priced similar...
Honestly This review is kinda bad IMO. With Overclocking tossed into the equation the 7870 can be faster then a 660ti, and we have already seen what a 7950 does when Overclocked. 660ti can also put up numbers close to a GTX670, doesnt mean anything. The 7970GE is still the fastest card and the 7950 is just a lesser version of that core, At high clock speeds they excel. If I was Nvidia I would be asking Why our flagship card is getting beat by our competitors cheaper product.
Bus speed and Memory size doesnt mean a thing if it's not needed. But when you start pushing AA or resolution your gonna what the most headroom. 7950 is better prepared for future games. AMD is giving people more for less thumb.gif

They are only priced similarly now due to the performance the GTX 6xx series is putting out.

You do remember AMD charging people $450 for 7950's right?

Nvidia knows the answer to the bolded part in your statement. Their "flagship" GTX 680 is made from their mid-range chip, and for the longest time, their biggest problem was keeping them in stock. They weren't forced to price drop, the same way AMD was forced to drop their prices.

The fact that the 6xx series cards are keeping up with 7xxx is quite impressive, considering it's a MID-RANGE CHIP that Nvidia got away with using. They only got away with it, since AMD set the bar so low for them.

I wish Nvidia was forced to put out a GK110 Geforce card, sooner rather than later.
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Even the GTX are small next to the more nimble 7870

Yep, see where the power connectors are on the GTX 660? That's where the PCB ends.


Edited by 2010rig - 12/11/12 at 2:29pm
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12/11/12 at 2:37pm
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I'm impressed that a gimped card with a smaller chip, a 192 bit bus, and less memory, is keeping up with a monster card with 3GB RAM, 384 bit bus, and a bigger chip.
If the 7950 didn't edge out the 660 TI, AMD would be in SERIOUS trouble.
The fact that they sometimes trade blows is an impressive feat ( on Nvidia's part )
If I was an AMD fan, I wouldn't be bragging and boasting benchmark numbers, I'd actually be quite embarrassed that the beastly 7950 barely edges out a gimped down card.
Just look at the size difference of both cards, 7950 has more of everything against the 660TI, yet, it barely edges it out? And people are bragging about this, why?

Looking at these 2 cards, it's like comparing a 6950 to a GTX 550 TI.

"Just look at the size difference".. yada yada bla bla. So you're telling me that that is a valid argument? Plus, you should take into account the width.
I'm not sure of the exact width but the 660 TI does look fatter than the 7950 http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Yeston-Prepares-Low-Cost-PCB-for-Radeon-HD-7950-7970-Graphics-Cards-2.jpg/.

So nvidia decided to increase the width instead of the hieight. So uhh? What's the problem? Does that mean the 7950 is better now cause it turns out it's not that much bigger when calculating the size?

Even if i turn out to be wrong about the size, who the hell cares what's under the hood? As long as it brings performance to the table i see no reason to complain.
Edited by Shadeh - 12/11/12 at 2:39pm
post #673 of 745
12/11/12 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

There's only so much Nvidia can do this generation, since GK104 has been pushed to its limits from the get go.
Not sure why clocks matter this gen, when they didn't matter before? The 660 TI has LESS shaders, a smaller bus, and LESS memory, does that NOT matter?
Again, my whole point is that a 7950 is barely edging out a GIMPED DOWN CARD, which is NOTHING to brag or boast about.
I'm disappointed because I don't get to upgrade this generation. Neither camp entices me for MY needs, and I've yet to find a game my card can't play at 1080p. ( Playing Far Cry 3 right now on HIGH settings )
I wish that the compute performance on the Radeons could be put to good use ( for my needs ), then I would grab a 7970 in a heart beat.
Supposedly, AMD did work with Adobe on OPENCL optimizations.
http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2012/04/24/adobe-and-amd-enable-brilliant-experiences/
Yet, Adobe Premiere does NOT support Radeons? *sigh*
http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/premiere/tech-specs.html
If they are un-officially supported now, I'd love to see comparisons of a 680 vs a 7970 in Premiere.

Start overloading the Bus and memory specs on the 660ti and you'll see why you better off with the 7950. Cuda Cores does not equal GCN shader cores, Though they have gotten to a point where a Cuda core is only slightly faster then a GCN core. If AMD is faster Clock for Clock with only 512 more shaders then Nvidia better close the gap between the 8970 and the GTX780.

AMD just gives you the benefit of the doubt by tossing in a nice amount of bandwidth and video memory. The only thing wrong with AMD cards is that the stock clocks are to low, considering how close AMD cards can clock to their competitors. Many of Nvidia's cards Boost to 1100+mhz, Stock Nvidia may be doing well but AMD has it won in the Overclocking game.

Edit: 448 core Difference between 660ti and 7950 and still GCN is faster clock for clock. Wonder how low you can go before Kepler is faster then GCN clock for clock.
Edited by DzillaXx - 12/11/12 at 3:21pm
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post #674 of 745
12/11/12 at 3:17pm
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The fact is that a good overclock 7950 competes with a gtx680
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/club_3d_7950_royal_king_review/1

doh.gif

It must be my fault, I'm not getting my point across clearly.

( Just for the record, my last comment was sarcasm tongue.gif )

Carry on.
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Start overloading the Bus and memory specs on the 660ti and you'll see why you better off with the 7950. Cuda Cores does not equal GCN shader cores, Though they have gotten to a point where a Cuda core is only slightly faster then a GCN core. If AMD is faster Clock for Clock with only 512 more shaders then Nvidia better close the gap between the 8970 and the GTX780.
AMD just gives you the benefit of the doubt by tossing in a nice amount of bandwidth and video memory. The only thing wrong with AMD cards is that the stock clocks are to low, considering how close AMD cards can clock to their competitors. Many of Nvidia's cards Boost to 1100+mhz, Stock Nvidia may be doing well but AMD has it won in the Overclocking game.

Hence my comment that a 660 is a "gimped down card".

I'm in no way implying that a 660 is better, just that it's doing a great job considering how "gimped down it is" compared to the 7950.

If this was last generation, we'd be comparing a 6950 to a GTX 550TI. Make sense?

Nvidia has gotten away with selling what was supposed to be a $300 card for $500, but I don't expect anyone wearing Red Glassed to understand, or accept what that truly means.

As I stated earlier, this decision is disappointing and has left me skipping this generation.
Edited by 2010rig - 12/11/12 at 3:33pm
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post #675 of 745
12/11/12 at 3:20pm
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I have seen some 7950s at 1300 core clocks, that is a beast OC. There is no way 660 can come even close to that, even a moderate overclock is more than enough to leave the 660 in the dust.

I really don't understand where you're getting your arguements from.
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post #676 of 745
12/11/12 at 3:37pm
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I have seen some 7950s at 1300 core clocks, that is a beast OC. There is no way 660 can come even close to that, even a moderate overclock is more than enough to leave the 660 in the dust.
I really don't understand where you're getting your arguements from.

So how does your 7950 do against a 680?
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12/11/12 at 4:42pm
7950>660ti. End of Story.
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12/11/12 at 7:08pm
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Wow you are so stubborn. Why cant you just relax and give credit where credit is due? He was not saying that the 660ti is better, nobody is saying that. We are just saying how awesome the card is that it can keep up with it in a good amount of games for having such a crippled bus and smaller core. 7950 has twice the bus and a bigger core yet the 660ti loses by only a few FPS in most games at 1080p. Thats a heck of a acomplishment. Are you so blinded by raw hatred of Nvidia you cant give props where props are due?
I know you probably call me names insult my intellegance and blow your lid calling me a fanboy, but those are current game benchmarks with current drivers, and they dont lie.
AGAIN NOT SAYING THE 660TI IS BETTER, JUST SAYING ITS A DECENT CARD TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

HD 7950 (800 Mhz) was released in late Jan 2012. AMD's price competition at launch was against a GTX 580 and it won . GTX 660 Ti released in Aug 2012. AMD launched a clock speed bumped HD 7950 boost to compete against GTX 660 Ti and it won. very simple. clock for clock HD 7950 is 3 - 5% slower than HD 7970 , same relation as GTX 670 and GTX 680. At the same clocks both HD 7950 and HD 7970 are faster than GTX 680. The fact that you have voltage control on AMD is a big advantage thumb.gif

An average overclock of 1150 Mhz on HD 7950 matches a GTX 680 at 1.3 Ghz. A golden HD 7950 sample at 1300 Mhz would make it a no contest even against a voltage overclocked GTX 680 lightning at 1350 - 1400 Mhz From a price perf point of view HD 7950 boost embarasses Nvidia's high end GTX 670 and GTX 680. Can you give credit to AMD for that. thumb.gif
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12/11/12 at 7:19pm
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HD 7950 (800 Mhz) was released in late Jan 2012. AMD's price competition at launch was against a GTX 580 and it won . GTX 660 Ti released in Aug 2012. AMD launched a clock speed bumped HD 7950 boost to compete against GTX 660 Ti and it won. very simple. clock for clock HD 7950 is 3 - 5% slower than HD 7970 , same relation as GTX 670 and GTX 680. At the same clocks both HD 7950 and HD 7970 are faster than GTX 680. The fact that you have voltage control on AMD is a big advantage thumb.gif
An average overclock of 1150 Mhz on HD 7950 matches a GTX 680 at 1.3 Ghz. A golden HD 7950 sample at 1300 Mhz would make it a no contest even against a voltage overclocked GTX 680 lightning at 1350 - 1400 Mhz From a price perf point of view HD 7950 boost embarasses Nvidia's high end GTX 670 and GTX 680. Can you give credit to AMD for that. thumb.gif

Proof?
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12/11/12 at 7:21pm
...yeah Im callin that one too...
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