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I've used AMD 3d. It's fine, assuming you have the profiles for your game, but it's that way for nVidia too, just like SLI and Xfire profiles.
I know people who used nvidia Surround. They think it's fine too. (Hydra vision is nice though... anyone try to get that working with a non-AMD card? You don't need CCC to run it).
You're overstating it way too far, and trying to pass opinion as fact too. They both work. Period.

I never said AMD's 3D and Nividia's surrond don't work, however it is safe to assume that AMD is better at surround and Nividia better at 3D because both Eyefinity and 3Dv2 are more mature technology than their counterparts.

If 3D/Surrond were your #1 priority imo you should pick the card with 3Dv2/Eyefinity, if those weren't your priority you should be fine with either card.
Edited by sherlock - 12/12/12 at 12:37am
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post #712 of 745
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I agree with this! Why the hell are we comparing a 680 to a golden 7950. I bet a LHE cooled 580 could crush all of em, that's not relevant either!
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Originally Posted by raghu78 View Post

He compared a lot more games before selling his GTX 680 Lightning. he was upset that his 300 dollar Gigabyte HD 7950 was beating his 550 dollar GTX 680 lightning. thumb.gif

That Gigabyte HD 7950 is a very golden card. While this Lightning isn't even that good of a clocker. I've seen guys getting 1450+ MHz. Getting 1280 MHz on a 7950 is as hard as getting a 1450 MHz Lightning.
This HD 7950 @ 1280 might even put its bigger brother to shame if it is not a good overclocker. So this point is even valid against some crappy overclocking 7970s. Not only the GTX 680 will offer crappy value for the money in that case but even a dud 7970.
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Oh brother, people are arguing clock-for-clock now like it's significant in the slightest? Did we forget that 680s have hit upwards of 2000mhz while I haven't seen a 7970 even break 1800?

Right, I forgot. Stock performance doesn't mean anything because this is overclock.net, just don't overclock too far because that doesn't count either.
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Yeah because all of us hard mod our cards for 24/7. I'm sure that was 100% game stable. Probably on air too. rolleyes.gif
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Wow page 74 and still going. Surprised mods have not closed by now.

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you are correct. But there are so many people on these forums in denial. Its very difficult for them to accept that a HD 7950 is faster than GTX 680 even at 100 Mhz lower clocks. they just plain outright refuse to believe even when there is evidence supporting it. thumb.gif
This.

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Oh brother, people are arguing clock-for-clock now like it's significant in the slightest? Did we forget that 680s have hit upwards of 2000mhz while I haven't seen a 7970 even break 1800?
Right, I forgot. Stock performance doesn't mean anything because this is overclock.net, just don't overclock too far because that doesn't count either.
Lol, 2000Mhz 680 isn't achievable using typical cooling methods (unless nitrogen is considered typical to you), while the 7950 overclocks are pretty easy to reach.
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I've used AMD 3d. It's fine, assuming you have the profiles for your game, but it's that way for nVidia too, just like SLI and Xfire profiles.
I know people who used nvidia Surround. They think it's fine too. (Hydra vision is nice though... anyone try to get that working with a non-AMD card? You don't need CCC to run it).
You're overstating it way too far, and trying to pass opinion as fact too. They both work. Period.

I never said AMD's 3D and Nividia's surrond don't work, however it is safe to assume that AMD is better at surround and Nividia better at 3D because both Eyefinity and 3Dv2 are more mature technology than their counterparts.

If 3D/Surrond were your #1 priority imo you should pick the card with 3Dv2/Eyefinity, if those weren't your priority you should be fine with either card.

No, it isn't safe to assume that.

I listed reasons why nvidia's 3D solution would just not work for me. It really doesn't matter who has been around longer at that point, now does it?

Stop. Trying. To make. Opinions. Facts.

They are handled differently. Different people will use advantages each side has to offer, and prefer them over the alternative. Especially at this point, there is no reason nor need to favor one brand over the other for something as simple as multi-screen or 3D.
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This.
Lol, 2000Mhz 680 isn't achievable using typical cooling methods (unless nitrogen is considered typical to you), while the 7950 overclocks are pretty easy to reach.
not to mention a 1800Mhz 7970 could probably get a score equal to that in 3DMark11 with the new drivers (which significantly boosted their score in that application.

I know there was one that reached 1800Mhz awhile ago but this train has already gone too far off the rails for me to continue.
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No, it isn't safe to assume that.
I listed reasons why nvidia's 3D solution would just not work for me. It really doesn't matter who has been around longer at that point, now does it?
Stop. Trying. To make. Opinions. Facts.
They are handled differently. Different people will use advantages each side has to offer, and prefer them over the alternative. Especially at this point, there is no reason nor need to favor one brand over the other for something as simple as multi-screen or 3D.

AFAIK I used the phrase "imo" in what you quoted.

and certainly there are reviews that suggest 3D Vision 2 is more mature than HD3D:


and the benefit of AMD 3G Vram 384 bit 79XX card over Nividia 2G 256bitVram GTX 67/80 card for 5760X1080+ resolution is pretty obvious.
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Guys... If it's all about the overclocking then why is hardware voltmodding kepler not allowed? This isn't stockclock.net right wink.gif

Say a 1600mhz 680 that's gaming stable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb2li2wti04

Honestly though, the whole argument here is pretty ridiculous, the only completely fair way to compare cards is stock versus stock. Ma overlocks depend on so many different variables that the results will always be different depending on the guys who test their cards.
 
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Guys... If it's all about the overclocking then why is hardware voltmodding kepler not allowed? This isn't stockclock.net right wink.gif
Say a 1600mhz 680 that's gaming stable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb2li2wti04
Honestly though, the whole argument here is pretty ridiculous, the only completely fair way to compare cards is stock versus stock. Ma overlocks depend on so many different variables that the results will always be different depending on the guys who test their cards.
The average joe can get a 7950 from NewEgg/ NCIX/ Amazon where ever, get MSi afterburner and OC it in afew minutes and have it work every time he boots up his PC.

Same cannot be said for a 1600Mhz GTX680 and to that i'd raise the 1800MHz HD7970 which would squash it like a bug.

I think what people are trying to say here is that once a 7950 passes the 1100mhz (which most easily can) mark there is nothing the 660ti can do to catch it unless its running AC3 or something with Physx.

edit: There is a User on HardOCP who has 2 HD7970's running at 1400Mhz in a custom built PC with some water cooling mods and i think there is a User here with 2 GTX680s that run over 1400Mhz, would be cool to see them go head to head smile.gif
Edited by th3illusiveman - 12/12/12 at 5:00am
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