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People will. And they will be very satisfied with what they purchase.

Unfortunately for them, they'll be buying a card based on an unfair comparison - that 660ti is a heavily overclocked version.
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Unfortunately for them, they'll be buying a card based on an unfair comparison - that 660ti is a heavily overclocked version.

let them buy 660ti. rma is available to them anyways.....
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post #93 of 745
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I don't know if i trust review sites anymore. They help with my purchasing decisions, but anymore they seem very dishonest.
This review is a great example. A stock 7950 vs an overclocked 660 ti? I mean, they state the clocks at the start of the review, but they don't make it clear that the 660 ti is overclocked... which would explain why they didn't discuss overclocking.
BTW. I do own a 7950, which is my first AMD card in 7 years.

But if both cards cost the same, isn't the speed kind of irrelevant? Obviously someone could manually overclock the 7950 (and 660 Ti), but if you are testing the out-of-the-box experience, doesn't it make sense to test cards that cost the same? Is it their fault that no one sells a faster clocked out-of-the-box 7950?

Actually, checking Newegg, the 660 Ti they used is now a full $30 cheaper than the Vapor-X 7950 card they used. If I'm basing my buying decision partly on price, doesn't that make this review pretty relevant information?
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Unfortunately for them, they'll be buying a card based on an unfair comparison - that 660ti is a heavily overclocked version.

And yet, still cheaper.
Edited by Forceman - 12/5/12 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103 View Post

Lol, proof? Here is a review showing the 660ti and the 7950 going blow for blow usually being within 1-3 FPS of eachother.
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page4.html
Also, why is everyone saying the 7xxx series is better for overclocking? I owned 3 7870's and only had one that would break 1200MHz this is my first 660ti and it hits 1250MHz no problem on core. Not a large enough sample to be conclusive, but my point is not all 7xxx series cards OC good. Luck of the draw.

And obviously not all 660 TIs are going to hit 1.2GHz +
Just look at the averages on HWbot

Regardless of overclocking capabilities this review is skewed in favor of the 660TI because the 660TI features a proportionally higher OC than the 7950.
Edited by geoxile - 12/5/12 at 5:09pm
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But if both cards cost the same, isn't the speed kind of irrelevant? Obviously someone could manually overclock the 7950 (and 660 Ti), but if you are testing the out-of-the-box experience, doesn't it make sense to test cards that cost the same? Is it their fault that no one sells a faster clocked out-of-the-box 7950?

of course it's not their fault..but it's their fault to disclose a lie tho.....
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And obviously not 660 TIs are going to hit 1.2GHz +
Just look at the averages on HWbot
Regardless of overclocking capabilities this review is skewed in favor of the 660TI because the 660TI features a proportionally higher OC than the 7950.

lol @ 3 - 7850 do your homework first b4 you buy smile.gif
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of course it's not their fault..but it's their fault to disclose a lie tho.....

How is it a lie? they used the highest clocked retail 660 Ti and the highest clocked retail HD 7950, and clearly indicated that in their test setup page. How can it be any more fair than that? Maybe AMD should be selling faster clocked 7950s.
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There's something to be said for keeping costs down, though. The GTX 660 Ti AMP! is currently going for $299.99, even though it's a hot-clocked card. In fact, the Zotac's boost frequency is one of the highest among the GTX 660 Ti cards available. Also, its 6.6 GT/s memory is 10% faster than most of its competitors, even though they cost as much as 350 bucks.

Edited by Forceman - 12/5/12 at 5:10pm
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How is it a lie? they used the highest clocked retail 660 Ti and the highest clocked retail HD 7950, and clearly indicated that in their test setup page.

it is a lie...cuz I bench in real time already. I don't believe any of the internet benchmark...I can do it myself.
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So they had issues with AMD's drivers? Sounds like AMD's fault not techreports.

How about this for a scenario:
  1. nVidia card tested first - nVidia drivers installed.
  2. nVidia card removed - nVidia drivers removed - some parts left over
  3. AMD card and driver installed
  4. Remaining nVidia driver fragments cause problems with the AMD drivers.

Now it is nVidia's fault for providing a shoddy uninstaller...

Either scenario is just as likely, although I know from experience that removing nVidia drivers is harder than getting blood stains out of bed sheets. Last time I ended up resorting to re-installing windows.

And buying new sheets.


Edit: As mcg75 pointed out the tests were run on seperate systems - this is not the cause of the low 7950 score in this case. Still doesn't exclude the posibility of PEBCAK or poor driver installers.
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it is a lie...cuz I bench in real time already. I don't believe any of the internet benchmark...I can do it myself.

So it's a lie because you don't believe it? Sounds rational.
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