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After playing with the settings more I found by setting the color adjust to cool or bluish the dark end of the gray scale smoothed out and now the game looks just as good as the dell is not better. Can anyone explain what I'm seeing and if there is anything on the other settings that can be done to get good black levels?
Edited by bab5 - 3/22/13 at 11:35pm
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Is there any way you can take a picture and uploaded a higher quality version of that picture? I have it opened up on my Retina MBP and on my desktop and they look more or less the same. The rMBP maybe looks a little more defined, but it may be due to the face the picture isn't really high quality. Does the problem encompass the entirety of that circle or just part of it? Also, you mean that the blacks of the stair blend together?
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Just received mine yesterday. I have it sitting beside a U2713HM that I will be returning. I've been tinkering around with the settings for several hours now. A few observations. The backlight is definitely better but the contrast ratio is no where as good as the Dell.
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Just received mine yesterday. I have it sitting beside a U2713HM that I will be returning. I've been tinkering around with the settings for several hours now. A few observations. The backlight is definitely better but the contrast ratio is no where as good as the Dell.

Curious to know your impressions gaming or watching movies between the U2713HM & VP2770?
     
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Curious to know your impressions gaming or watching movies between the U2713HM & VP2770?

Here are my settings

VP2770-LED: Native Preset, Contrast: 70, Brightness: 55, Gamma: Standard
2713HM: sRGB Preset, Contrast: 70, Brightness: 55, Gamma: PC

My impressions

The contrast ratio is much better on the Dell, so much to the point that I'm feeling buyer's remorse. I'm having thoughts of returning both panels and trying my luck with another U2713HM (hoping to score a panel with decent back light uniformity).

The backlight uniformity on the Viewsonic is much better. My U2713HM had a huge glowing spot on the bottom right.

You can turn the Viewsonic's power LED off, I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the reviews but is a nice feature.

The touch buttons on the Viewsonic are extremely sensitive and difficult to see in low light situations. If you're going to be changing your settings in the dark often, I recommend the Dell for it's superior OSD and controls.

Apart from the OSD and touch controls, the Viewsonic feels better built than the Dell. When you squeeze the bezel the Dell creaks, but the Viewsonic doesn't make a sound. The Viewsonic monitor can also raised almost twice as high as the Dell.

In terms of speed, I haven't noticed a difference. Extremely unscientific, but I'm not able to land my Tekken combos consistently like I can on my ASUS VG236H.
Edited by tomato16 - 3/23/13 at 3:29am
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I just tried using custom color settings and the contrast appears to be much better now, unsure why.

Red: 95, Green: 100, Blue: 95
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After playing with the settings more I found by setting the color adjust to cool or bluish the dark end of the gray scale smoothed out and now the game looks just as good as the dell is not better. Can anyone explain what I'm seeing and if there is anything on the other settings that can be done to get good black levels?

The image is very dark on my VP2770, but I think this looks close to what it should look like. My only comparison is an XL2420T, but the XL2420T boosts dark colours to make them more visible so the greys are unnaturally bright on that one. I don't see a halo around the torch and each step on the stairs is distinguishable from the rest even if just barely.
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My impressions

The contrast ratio is much better on the Dell, so much to the point that I'm feeling buyer's remorse. I'm having thoughts of returning both panels and trying my luck with another U2713HM (hoping to score a panel with decent back light uniformity).
The backlight uniformity on the Viewsonic is much better. My U2713HM had a huge glowing spot on the bottom right.
You can turn the Viewsonic's power LED off, I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the reviews but is a nice feature.
The touch buttons on the Viewsonic are extremely sensitive and difficult to see in low light situations. If you're going to be changing your settings in the dark often, I recommend the Dell for it's superior OSD and controls.
Apart from the OSD and touch controls, the Viewsonic feels better built than the Dell. When you squeeze the bezel the Dell creaks, but the Viewsonic doesn't make a sound. The Viewsonic monitor can also raised almost twice as high as the Dell.
In terms of speed, I haven't noticed a difference. Extremely unscientific, but I'm not able to land my Tekken combos consistently like I can on my ASUS VG236H.

The contrast on PLS isn't as good as IPS, that's just how it is at the moment.
Edited by B!0HaZard - 3/23/13 at 4:16am
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Yes sorry about the image. When I saved the image using snagit, the file was overwritten at 50% the size. I'll upload a better one today.

I did want to upload and show the images I shot with my phone to show the black-dark gray banding issues in the standard, rgb color profiles that I'm seeing on my monitor which is the cause for the crushed blacks. The images were taking using my cellphone so obviously any other feature or issue might or probably is caused by the camera itself. However, I can attest that the banding at the lowest black levels is there when viewing the image with my eye.

The image I used to test the monitors is from the site http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php which is a simple white to black gradient.

The first image is using the native color profile. The red arrow in the image points to section of gradient where the serious banding occurs. This happens on the native and rgb profiles. The banding effect is very noticable in games as darker blacks get crushed into the bands and detail disappears.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

The second image is using the cool color profile. As you can see in the image the banding present in the previous images goes away and the transition to black is much smoother. Games (too me) look much better in this mode. I know that the bluish and cool settings help the banding, and possibly the warm and user defined.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Owners of the VP2770 can you look at the image on your monitor and see if you're seeing the same thing with the same settings or is it just my monitor that's doing it. I hope that is the case because I don't understand how sites like tftcentral can recommend the native or srgb (calibrated) settings with this issue.
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Yes sorry about the image. When I saved the image using snagit, the file was overwritten at 50% the size. I'll upload a better one today.

I did want to upload and show the images I shot with my phone to show the black-dark gray banding issues in the standard, rgb color profiles that I'm seeing on my monitor which is the cause for the crushed blacks. The images were taking using my cellphone so obviously any other feature or issue might or probably is caused by the camera itself. However, I can attest that the banding at the lowest black levels is there when viewing the image with my eye.

The image I used to test the monitors is from the site http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php which is a simple white to black gradient.

The first image is using the native color profile. The red arrow in the image points to section of gradient where the serious banding occurs. This happens on the native and rgb profiles. The banding effect is very noticable in games as darker blacks get crushed into the bands and detail disappears.


The second image is using the cool color profile. As you can see in the image the banding present in the previous images goes away and the transition to black is much smoother. Games (too me) look much better in this mode. I know that the bluish and cool settings help the banding, and possibly the warm and user defined.


Owners of the VP2770 can you look at the image on your monitor and see if you're seeing the same thing with the same settings or is it just my monitor that's doing it. I hope that is the case because I don't understand how sites like tftcentral can recommend the native or srgb (calibrated) settings with this issue.

It does have a sudden drop in brightness, but if you look at the rest of the gradient, you'll see that it's because the grey levels are brighter in native down to that point. There's no crushing, the cool profile shows the same very dark colours. Rather it is an issue with brighter greys.
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It does have a sudden drop in brightness, but if you look at the rest of the gradient, you'll see that it's because the grey levels are brighter in native down to that point. There's no crushing, the cool profile shows the same very dark colours. Rather it is an issue with brighter greys.

Yea maybe i'm using the wrong terminology and is banding the right word instead of crushing? The other thing is that the bands don't disappear even at 0 brightness on my screen. I've tried every setting that I can think of in native and srgb to smooth out the darks but its just not happening. Any suggestions?
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