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My reason is very simple. Allow me to explain.
While every other project I know of actually computes useful information or at least tests new ideas, Donate just generates cash. And the ratio of electricity cost to money donated may actually be less than one now, but that's beside the point. Other projects would not be able to acquire supercomputers if volunteers just donated money instead of crunching, I doubt they could even pay the cooling cost. But Donate would do just as well if you wrote them a check. It is a waste of assets and a waste of electricity. By existing as a boinc project it is robbing worthwhile projects of computing power. If you want to mine bitcoins to generate money, that's fine. But there is no reason for Donate to exist, and I believe it is on the whole harmful to the boinc community of projects.
I'm sure this will make some people angry but this is what I think. Sorry if it offends you. Thanks for reading and I look forward to your responses.
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you can disagree with it all you want, it doesn't mean you have to run that project.
    
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Well you need to think of donate@home as a gpugrid side project that was done by them to be able to use amd cards. And nearly all projects dont show you results of their work so you cant say any project is better then another unless they show you what your cpu/gpu time has done just cause they say they do somthing does not mean they are doing it unless proof is shown.
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I don't see why this would offend anybody.
If you don't like the project then you don't have to run it. Seems pretty simple to me and you're certainly not obligated to explain yourself.

But, I'll bite and play devils advocate.

If the project works as intended and it funds the salary of a students fellowship who is working in the field that we are all crunching numbers for, then isn't that worth while? Worth while to support him in his efforts to make new headway in curing disease.

Here's his bio and what he is currently working on:
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Nathaniel Stanley, 15th June 2012

Nathaniel Stanley is a predoctoral researcher at Universitat Pompeu Fabra. He holds a bachelor's degree in Biochemistry (New York University, 2006). He previously worked in the semiconductor industry on nanoparticulate inks and high-temperature nanoparticulate reactivity, specifically in solar cell manufacturing. He is currently working on modelling biomolecular systems of medical importance with the aim of identifying effective approaches to understand and cure disease.

Seems pretty legit to me.
If people chose to run Donate to help finance this guys salary who is doing research in some of the fields that we crunch work units for, that's helping the cause is it not?
 
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I haven't done any research as I partially agree with your stance, but it may simply be a feeder project to maintain a useful level of hardware to allow the BOINC infrastructure to operate on....

If it project earns enough to fund a research position then I'm impressed, and surprised.

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post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by DarkRyder View Post

you can disagree with it all you want, it doesn't mean you have to run that project.
i don't. but since our team is 4th in the world on Donate, as a team member i feel obligated to voice my opinion about our participation
Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.BID View Post

I don't see why this would offend anybody.
If you don't like the project then you don't have to run it. Seems pretty simple to me and you're certainly not obligated to explain yourself.

But, I'll bite and play devils advocate.

If the project works as intended and it funds the salary of a students fellowship who is working in the field that we are all crunching numbers for, then isn't that worth while? Worth while to support him in his efforts to make new headway in curing disease.

Here's his bio and what he is currently working on:
Quote:
Nathaniel Stanley, 15th June 2012

Nathaniel Stanley is a predoctoral researcher at Universitat Pompeu Fabra. He holds a bachelor's degree in Biochemistry (New York University, 2006). He previously worked in the semiconductor industry on nanoparticulate inks and high-temperature nanoparticulate reactivity, specifically in solar cell manufacturing. He is currently working on modelling biomolecular systems of medical importance with the aim of identifying effective approaches to understand and cure disease.

Seems pretty legit to me.
If people chose to run Donate to help finance this guys salary who is doing research in some of the fields that we crunch work units for, that's helping the cause is it not?
If you want to mine bitcoins to generate money to give him, that's fine. Using the boinc network to do so is completely unnecessary


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Well you need to think of donate@home as a gpugrid side project that was done by them to be able to use amd cards. And nearly all projects dont show you results of their work so you cant say any project is better then another unless they show you what your cpu/gpu time has done just cause they say they do somthing does not mean they are doing it unless proof is shown.

accusing real projects of fraud to justify Donate...
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i don't. but since our team is 4th in the world on Donate, as a team member i feel obligated to voice my opinion about our participation
If you want to mine bitcoins to generate money to give him, that's fine. Using the boinc network to do so is completely unnecessary
accusing real projects of fraud to justify Donate...

Maybe you should do some research, admin from gpugrid is the one that setup donate@home also if you did any research you would see the contact info is the same for gpugrid and donate@home so same people run both copyrights are also the same.

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2840
http://www.gpugrid.org/forum_thread.php?id=2839
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Donate@home is a side project for us at the moment. All resources generated by donate@home will go into gpugrid.

So it is gpugrid in a sense, just it's so new that we preferred to create a new project.

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My reason is very simple. Allow me to explain.
While every other project I know of actually computes useful information or at least tests new ideas, Donate just generates cash. And the ratio of electricity cost to money donated may actually be less than one now, but that's beside the point. Other projects would not be able to acquire supercomputers if volunteers just donated money instead of crunching, I doubt they could even pay the cooling cost. But Donate would do just as well if you wrote them a check. It is a waste of assets and a waste of electricity. By existing as a boinc project it is robbing worthwhile projects of computing power. If you want to mine bitcoins to generate money, that's fine. But there is no reason for Donate to exist, and I believe it is on the whole harmful to the boinc community of projects.
I'm sure this will make some people angry but this is what I think. Sorry if it offends you. Thanks for reading and I look forward to your responses.

You know something? I thought LONG and HARD about this and had mixed feelings...

You have a "Password and Hash Hacking" project... DistrRTgen... You have the statistics project WUProp that only records what projects you run... You have DONATE which is a sideways method of getting $$$ donations to help fund the BIGger project... You have PrimeGrid that like prime numbers 250K long... Good grief...

Well, thing is, if we attach "our" MORAL values on what is good and what isn't in BOINC method or practice, then we fight a war between religions in a way... arguing like Sunnis vs. Shiites or Christians vs. Jews. Heck, we start arguing how people teach things or run fund raisers, then all hell can break loose. I prefer to celebrate the diversity of the human race and will defend individuals rights to express themselves "legally" and "politely" to the maximum extent.

WE OCN BOINCers are individuals with opinions and morals and other things that fill out our fleshy selves and it's ALL GOOD so long as you aren't hurting others IMHO...

Soo, though "I" or someone else may DISLIKE a projects methods to achieve a goal, so long as it's legal and doesn't hurt others, I say go for it. If it's a waste of assets in someone else's eyes, then that's the way it is. (Just so's ya know, Donate left a bad taste in my BOINC mouth at first as well...)

AND, the biggest thing is, WE have full power of choice to support or not support ANY BOINC project and that's the BEST part.

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You know something? I thought LONG and HARD about this and had mixed feelings...
You have a "Password and Hash Hacking" project... DistrRTgen... You have the statistics project WUProp that only records what projects you run... You have DONATE which is a sideways method of getting $$$ donations to help fund the BIGger project... You have PrimeGrid that like prime numbers 250K long... Good grief...
Well, thing is, if we attach "our" MORAL values on what is good and what isn't in BOINC method or practice, then we fight a war between religions in a way... arguing like Sunnis vs. Shiites or Christians vs. Jews. Heck, we start arguing how people teach things or run fund raisers, then all hell can break loose. I prefer to celebrate the diversity of the human race and will defend individuals rights to express themselves "legally" and "politely" to the maximum extent.
WE OCN BOINCers are individuals with opinions and morals and other things that fill out our fleshy selves and it's ALL GOOD so long as you aren't hurting others IMHO...
Soo, though "I" or someone else may DISLIKE a projects methods to achieve a goal, so long as it's legal and doesn't hurt others, I say go for it. If it's a waste of assets in someone else's eyes, then that's the way it is. (Just so's ya know, Donate left a bad taste in my BOINC mouth at first as well...)
AND, the biggest thing is, WE have full power of choice to support or not support ANY BOINC project and that's the BEST part.
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Well spoken everyone is going to hate a project for 1 reason or another but they are all legit.
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My stance is simple. I don't like donate and I don't crunch it. If you crunch it and you like it then more powa to ya. Your computer and your electricity.
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