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Just curious if you tried the setup before doing all the mods? Meaning, did you install them with stock coolers, stock bios, no overclocking from the cpu or the gpu's and start from there or did you just jump in with water cooling, overclocking, etc? I have had both, GTX680's and the HD7970's and a slew of other cards, all ran in Eyefinity or Surround on both AMD and Intel setups and unless I started overclocking I didn't have any issues. The point is, I always start from a base model before doing anything just to make sure I can eliminate things for trouble shooting. Personally, I prefer AMD to Nvidia, but that's personal preference. I would start from scratch just to make sure the cards and cpu are not unstable. The other thing is to make sure you are not having software or driver conflicts, which is why you start with a fresh install with the bare minimal installed. Is it a lot of work, sometimes, but sometimes things just work and sometimes they don't, but doing it this way allows you to troubleshoot more easily. Just my two cents.
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Stuttering.. some people have solved that (or it helped) by disabling the following options in the BIOS:
. HPET
. C1E
. C2/C3/C6 states
. EIST

HPET is the most complicated of the lot. It's the newest System Timer developed by intel and microsoft. It's always enabled in bios by default. However Windows 7 might not be using it. If windows 7 is not configured to use it, some say it causes problems.

HPET in BIOS: Enabled
HPET Bit Level in BIOS: 64bit (if you have 64 bit os) <-- Not everyone has this option in bios.

To enable HPET in Windows 7 :
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true

To disable HPET in Windows 7 :
bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock

You have to reboot after each command. I recommend trying with both enabled in bios and Windows. And disabled in both bios and windows. One of these situations gives you less stutter, mostly in multi-gpu setups.
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HPET is the most complicated of the lot. It's the newest System Timer developed by intel and microsoft. It's always enabled in bios by default. However Windows 7 might not be using it. If windows 7 is not configured to use it, some say it causes problems.
HPET in BIOS: Enabled
HPET Bit Level in BIOS: 64bit (if you have 64 bit os) <-- Not everyone has this option in bios.
To enable HPET in Windows 7 :
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true
To disable HPET in Windows 7 :
bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
You have to reboot after each command. I recommend trying with both enabled in bios and Windows. And disabled in both bios and windows. One of these situations gives you less stutter, mostly in multi-gpu setups.

I recall using that first command. I will have to try without.
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Just curious if you tried the setup before doing all the mods? Meaning, did you install them with stock coolers, stock bios, no overclocking from the cpu or the gpu's and start from there or did you just jump in with water cooling, overclocking, etc? I have had both, GTX680's and the HD7970's and a slew of other cards, all ran in Eyefinity or Surround on both AMD and Intel setups and unless I started overclocking I didn't have any issues. The point is, I always start from a base model before doing anything just to make sure I can eliminate things for trouble shooting. Personally, I prefer AMD to Nvidia, but that's personal preference. I would start from scratch just to make sure the cards and cpu are not unstable. The other thing is to make sure you are not having software or driver conflicts, which is why you start with a fresh install with the bare minimal installed. Is it a lot of work, sometimes, but sometimes things just work and sometimes they don't, but doing it this way allows you to troubleshoot more easily. Just my two cents.
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also ATI WAS BOUGHT BY AMD AGES AGO SO QUIT SAYING ATI.....ITS NOT MARKETED BY ATI ITS NOT MANUFACTURED BY ATI AND ATI DOESNT EVEN EXIST AS AN ENTITY ANYMORE... for the love man

also disable any overclock you have on your cpu /motherboard bring everything back to stock and retest
and i hope you tested those cards on air first and didnt jump to water
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also ATI WAS BOUGHT BY AMD AGES AGO SO QUIT SAYING ATI.....ITS NOT MARKETED BY ATI ITS NOT MANUFACTURED BY ATI AND ATI DOESNT EVEN EXIST AS AN ENTITY ANYMORE... for the love man
also disable any overclock you have on your cpu /motherboard bring everything back to stock and retest
and i hope you tested those cards on air first and didnt jump to water

Stuttering is a non-issue without vsync.

I really think it's just a software issue. If it were a hardware issue, vsync wouldn't work in DX9, and running without vsync would stutter too. My CPU is rock solid.
The only issue is vsync. I'm 99% sure it's just bad drivers.

And I know it's made by AMD. Their graphics card line is still called ATI though. I just use them interchangeably, as do many other people.
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Stuttering is a non-issue without vsync.
I really think it's just a software issue. If it were a hardware issue, vsync wouldn't work in DX9, and running without vsync would stutter too. My CPU is rock solid.
The only issue is vsync. I'm 99% sure it's just bad drivers.
And I know it's made by AMD. Their graphics card line is still called ATI though. I just use them interchangeably, as do many other people.

We are plenty enough here using crossfire and eyefinity from rc11. It works. Somewhere else is the problem
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We are plenty enough here using crossfire and eyefinity from rc11. It works. Somewhere else is the problem

How would it be a hardware issue if vsync works in DX9? Same hardware is used for DX11. It's just drivers not liking my configuration in some way or another.
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I had the same issue a year or so ago when I used crossfire, by the time the diver update was out to fix the negative scaling from xfire, all my mates had already beat the game. I think when skyrim came out it was a good 3 months before the negative scaling was fixed. on such a huge release I was so eager to witness the power of twin gpus ... I agree also on the games that it did work, I probably spent more time tweaking the radeonPRO settings to get it working then I did playing on 90% of titles. Then the tech guy at my local PC store suggested I just get a single nvidia card (I was a complete radeon fanboy at the time because I had been gaming since playing helicops and mechwarrior on my first pc *pentium2 233mhz*, back when I changed from a voodoo card to a radeon and never looked back) The performance gain after installing the new card astounded me. Not even in games just ... using the desktop ... or anything ... it was all just better. Now my cousin just got a second GTX660ti for SLI and I spent an afternoon/evening at his place, ready to laugh and scoff when all his games started providing worse fps, or wouldn't even load. Oh how I was wrong. EVERYTHING he loaded was massively improved. (Not double of course but probably about 50% better on average) Everything from World of Warcraft to Crysis to Alan Wake to Civilization5 to Metro 2033 to The Witcher 2 to to Black Ops 2 and even older things where the performance gain is irrelevant like half life 2. CS source and garys mod, and COD 4, everything just worked, and worked better. No third party programs, no hours of loading the game, testing a scene, exiting, changing a setting, loading the game, testing same scene ... you get the point. Now he has set up his 3D surround vision and while I haven't personally seen it yet, he says it works amazing. Why everyone who uses Radeons aren't up in arms and boycotting their terrible terrible products is beyond me.

Don't know what to tell you, I am in the same boat, I work hard to pay my bills and save for high end PC gaming hardware as a hobby. I would (and was) greatly dissapointed with spending my hard earned cash on (in my opinion) a complete lemon. Maybe AMD execs are sitting in their penthouses laughing their asses off at all the idiots giving money to them for their bad products. Theres only so much having a good name like RADEON can save you. Honestly I hope AMD start improving their products and restoring their name, because right now Intel and nvidia have no real comptetition (for gamers), and competition keeps the market alive, keeps the developers developing, keeps the industry rolling.

My second ASUS OC DIRECT CU II GTX 670 should arrive sometime this week.

Wish you all the best and happy gaming!
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How would it be a hardware issue if vsync works in DX9? Same hardware is used for DX11. It's just drivers not liking my configuration in some way or another.

We can blame drivers easily because its the easy target. But in crossfire everything little detail affect your setup. When you bought your card did you test them individual? Run with your cpu at stock also.
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Sorry for posting if this thread is already dead
I had the same issue a year or so ago when I used crossfire, by the time the diver update was out to fix the negative scaling from xfire, all my mates had already beat the game. I think when skyrim came out it was a good 3 months before the negative scaling was fixed. on such a huge release I was so eager to witness the power of twin gpus ... I agree also on the games that it did work, I probably spent more time tweaking the radeonPRO settings to get it working then I did playing on 90% of titles. Then the tech guy at my local PC store suggested I just get a single nvidia card (I was a complete radeon fanboy at the time because I had been gaming since playing helicops and mechwarrior on my first pc *pentium2 233mhz*, back when I changed from a voodoo card to a radeon and never looked back) The performance gain after installing the new card astounded me. Not even in games just ... using the desktop ... or anything ... it was all just better. Now my cousin just got a second GTX660ti for SLI and I spent an afternoon/evening at his place, ready to laugh and scoff when all his games started providing worse fps, or wouldn't even load. Oh how I was wrong. EVERYTHING he loaded was massively improved. (Not double of course but probably about 50% better on average) Everything from World of Warcraft to Crysis to Alan Wake to Civilization5 to Metro 2033 to The Witcher 2 to to Black Ops 2 and even older things where the performance gain is irrelevant like half life 2. CS source and garys mod, and COD 4, everything just worked, and worked better. No third party programs, no hours of loading the game, testing a scene, exiting, changing a setting, loading the game, testing same scene ... you get the point. Now he has set up his 3D surround vision and while I haven't personally seen it yet, he says it works amazing. Why everyone who uses Radeons aren't up in arms and boycotting their terrible terrible products is beyond me.
Don't know what to tell you, I am in the same boat, I work hard to pay my bills and save for high end PC gaming hardware as a hobby. I would (and was) greatly dissapointed with spending my hard earned cash on (in my opinion) a complete lemon. Maybe AMD execs are sitting in their penthouses laughing their asses off at all the idiots giving money to them for their bad products. Theres only so much having a good name like RADEON can save you. Honestly I hope AMD start improving their products and restoring their name, because right now Intel and nvidia have no real comptetition (for gamers), and competition keeps the market alive, keeps the developers developing, keeps the industry rolling.
My second ASUS OC DIRECT CU II GTX 670 should arrive sometime this week.
Wish you all the best and happy gaming!

Yeah, I had ZERO problems with Nvidia. I am sorely regretting my decision. It's just going to be a PITA to sell these cards + water blocks, and I'll lose money. It's going to cost even more to get 4GB 670/680s too -.-
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