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This whole thread is about the misunderstanding between staff and the mistakes that were made in enforcing the rules because of that misunderstanding... The enforcing that you've read in this thread isn't the norm.

That's good to know, but I'm certainly not going to stick my neck out at this point. Even if I just get a discount on a part from due to a business relationship you can bet I'm not going to post anything about that part here. I'm even unsure about discussing software that I use in a professional capacity at this point. If I recommend VMWare to users interested in experimenting with virtualization because it's what I use at work and we have a unique relationship with them (which may at some point lead to me receiving free software/training) do I have to worry about that too? I can tell you flat out I'm just not going to worry about it (I'll post that someplace else, or direct users to where they might find such info elsewhere). Furthermore, if I create a guide for a hardware or software product I'm not going to post that here either, as I wouldn't want to worry about another user re-posting that info someplace else (which I would be nothing but flattered to discover). I can absolutely understand wanting to keep shills off OCN, or at least mark them as such and take a cut, but the current TOCs go a little overboard. The enforcement or not of those rules by a moderator are a moot point honestly.
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post #172 of 233
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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

In OCN's defense, this ToS is very common.......FB etc are all run in a similar vein.
But the content here is worth something,while FB is not worth crossing the road for.

^This bold/underline
Worthiness of posts being undeniably with exceptions, such as the ramblings of a few, *cough EpicAMDGamer *cough. LOL tongue.gif

Seriously, these ToS are typical for most any site. My opinion (not that anyone asked) is that the people that are suddenly most uncomfortable here are the ones who never bothered reading the ToS in the first place. So just go about your business as you always have and act like you still don't know what they say. When (and if) any violation should occur - take it up with management in PMs and KEEP THE DRAMA OUT OF THESE PUBLIC FORUMS PLEASE!

/end rant

redface.gif I feel better
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post #173 of 233
OCN has really gone downhill since that overhaul earlier this year.
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I am going to break this into chunks to try and explain better.
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Originally Posted by opt33 View Post

Stren, Martin and other testers can post their non-biased reviews on Hardforum, Strens is in fact still there. OCN, however, deleted Strens independent review because of 2 issues, 1) it was posted on another site
This was explained early in the thread as an unenforced rule that was misinterpreted by a mod. Well it may perhaps be in violation of the constraints of intellectual property holding agreements between you and OCN, I never heard of it being activly enforced. That clause is there for the legal protection of OCN. See next quote.
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OCN thinks they own his data now
Any data on their servers, they do own. Yes, this may include what you post. At the same time it comes as a good faith agreement. You understand the general directive of OCN is to support the community but at the same time, needs to protect themselves. This rule allows them to store the data on their server. If not it would be in violation of international copyright laws. After working with Admin personally on a few projects both online and in person, I can not see him taking everything and running for the exit.

There is more to this legally that protects the users as well. Pain in the butt to explain, but just because it is on here, does not put you in a situation where you no longer have rights to it. End of the day, it is still yours, but as long as it resides on these servers, they may do with it as they please as well.
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2) he didnt pay the fee, after donating an enormous amount of his time.
Once again, misunderstanding the ToS. The mod should of contacted him and worked this out prior to deleting posts, but hindsight is always 20-20. I do see the $29 fee being reasonable. You get parts/discounts from a manu in return they expect publicity. OCN needs to advertise to survive, so they want a cut of the action. Nothing new there.
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Yet that same Stren review still sits at Hardforum, not deleted, not complained about.
See above.
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The fact is Hardforums TOS is worded for self-protection, and is a legal necessity. OCN's is worded for personal gain, and is an onerous twist of a standard TOS policy.
And if you think they are enforced the same, explain why Strens independent review was deleted at OCN, and not at Hardforum.
Once again, this comes down to the mod team on this one. [H] is worded for protection as is OCN. Varying degrees but still protection.

For some time being, there were crazy ToS clauses out there that no one read or paid any attention to. They are never acted upon but exist for the sole purpose of legal protection.

The mod that removed the posts, to the best of my knowledge acted in good faith, attempting to do what they believed was right by the ToS. Perhaps it is right by the ToS but not everything in life is followed to a T. Ever speed? Do even 2 over? We waive stuff like that. The law says exactly X speed but not enforced to the T. Same idea. The rule is there but no always enforced.

Hope some of that made sense, finals are beating me down right now.
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I'm admittedly very scared now.

How can some website claim to own my property just because I shared it with them?


I feel lost.........
     
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post #176 of 233
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I'm admittedly very scared now.
How can some website claim to own my property just because I shared it with them?
I feel lost.........

Welcome to the legal system.

Technicalities are everywhere.
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This whole thread is about the misunderstanding between staff and the mistakes that were made in enforcing the rules because of that misunderstanding... The enforcing that you've read in this thread isn't the norm.

Even if it isn't, it happened. It brought upon this site a lot of negitive feedback. Mod's should be taught proper practices of the site before becoming a mod. I'm still very new to this site and it gave me a wealth of knowledge. But it's things like this that make me second guess being a member on here, especially after hearing numerous people talk about how good this forum "used" to be.

Just my two pennies.
    
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So OCN has become a money-hogging institution? Well, that's rather sad, you've lost my respect for whatever that's worth. I'm glad I saw this thread, I'd be unaware of all these absurdities otherwise. Taking people's money to allow them to post sponsored projects? Giving up all rights to whatever you post here? For all eternity? Wow, I don't know if I should be laughing or crying, words can hardly describe this BS.

I am thankful to the forum for all that it's helped me with, but that doesn't change any of the above or make it any less valid. It also doesn't change the fact that people are constantly leaving. Get your act together OCN.
Edited by Randomdude - 12/10/12 at 4:00pm
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I'm admittedly very scared now.
How can some website claim to own my property just because I shared it with them?
I feel lost.........
Because,Um, when you made an account and visit every day there's a term of service you agree to. If there a is a TOS for a website that demands you to fork over all your cash at a moments notice and you agree, that website can have all your goodies.
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This whole thread is about the misunderstanding between staff and the mistakes that were made in enforcing the rules because of that misunderstanding... The enforcing that you've read in this thread isn't the norm.

So does that mean Stren's thread being removed was part of this misunderstanding and will be brought back and grandfathered into the new subforum?

I would really like to thank the staff for keeping this thread open and allowing us to freely speak (within reason). I don't think many people have issues with OCN wanting to cover their butt from a legal standpoint, but I am also sure that the TOS could probably be worded differently while maintaining the same desired effect while at the same time being more specific so it didn't cause the user to feel as if the can't share with the community. Just because it's commonly worded across many sites that it is fine.

I really hope things change.
 
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