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Only thing I would do different is to have a RAID 1 setup with two drives instead of just one.
If one goes bad, he doesn't lose all the work and info on the machine. Could be disasterous if in the middle of a case and much of your evidence/work is lost.
In the case of a business machine, you must always have a means of backing things up or you're just asking for it regardless of the HDD or SDD configuration.

Good advice. Though off-site (cloud?) backup is often preferable. Protects against the wackier problems like houses burning down. I kind of figured that would be in place already as it should be standard practice for lawyers to make sure crucial info is always backed up.
    
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I'm sure they do and it's understood to do such, those guys inspite of all the crap we say about them aren't exactly dumb.... Some of them however might make for good evidence on the point of what and how we talk about them......biggrin.gif

Redundency in this kind of data backup is always a good thing.
You'll have at least one way to get at your data because if for some reason you can't go out and get it from the cloud, you'll still have a backup available.
Never rely on just one way to do something with regards to this subject, always have a second angle you can use.
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He does use dropbox extremely often. I'll more than likely build a raid-based setup but I have never done one before. It shouldn't be too hard to setup correct? I've been building PC's for 4 years so it shouldn't be a big issue thumb.gif


I was also looking into going MITX but MATX may be a better path anyways.
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What about upgrade paths? Isn't steamroller expected to be AM3+? I know FM2 is expected to stick around for awhile and LGA 1155 is being phased out.

He'll wanna use the computer for years and "POTENTIALLY" upgrade in the future.
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He doesn't upgrade often = just assume you'll need to get a new motherboard anyway. I highly doubt any of our current motherboard lines will be relevant 4 years down the line.
    
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I'm pretty sure that AMD promised FM2 for quite a few generations (3 or so I think), something that will encompass the newest and revolutionary HSA APUs, which will have huge advantages over competing solutions where programs are optimized.

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Huh, news to me. But I still wouldn't guide my current choice for a computer based on what might happen that many years down the road. It's just not a good idea. Particularly with a company that seems to be (unfortunately) as financially volatile as AMD.

Note that I recommended the OP purchase an FM2 board tongue.gif

I just don't think future upgrade-ability should be in any way a concern for this build.
    
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For multiple montiors - you basically just need to make sure the motherboard you pick has enough/correct connections. That will be your limiting factor.
For performance: I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet...
The NUMBER ONE biggest part that will effect casual/business computing performance is an SSD. What processor you get doesn't really matter. What matters is the hard drive. Virtually all the slowdowns in casual computing comes from waiting for the hard drive to load information into RAM. Most of your money should go here. I'm assuming he doesn't want to bother with multiple hard drives. Luckily, as a business user he shouldn't need too much storage space, especially as it's not an office computer.
(And if the touch-screen all-in ones have an SSD in them, your built computer will look bad without one).
Here's my suggestion for core components:
A10-5800k ($120)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/400669/A10_5800K_Black_Edition_38GHz_Socket_FM2_Boxed_Processor
for motherboard, apparently the Kansas City Microcenter has only 2 FM2 motherboard models.
The cheaper one is an Asus mATX for $90 and has one DVI & one HDMI video connections, so it can do 2 monitors using exactly those connections.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/401780/F2A55-M-CSM_FM2_mATX_AMD_Motherboard#tab-specs
The more expensive one is a Gigabyte full ATX for $125 and has one of each of the major video connectors: VGA, DVI, HDMI, and DisplayPort, making it more flexible.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/400560/GA-F2A85X-UP4_Socket_FM2_ATX_AMD_Motherboard
Either of those should work. You an ask about motherboard deals, but I don't know if they have them for FM2 sockets. Nevertheless, I still say you stick with the A10. It's more expensive than, say, a Core i3 setup, but some internet browsers may benefit from superior GPU acceleration provided by the APU's integrated graphics.
For storage, I recommend a 500gb Samsung 840 SSD ($400). This is large & expensive, but it's the size of a standard hard drive, so no confusion resulting from two different lettered drives. (C: & D:... confusing!). And, of course, it'll make the computer seem amazing to a casual computer.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/402605/840-Series_MZ-7TD520BW_500GB_SATA_60Gp-s_25_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)
For RAM, you can get 2x4gb Kingston HyperX 2133mhz for $55 if you want fast RAM. Otherwise you can get 2x4gb Crucial Ballistix for $37:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/401558/Hyper_X_Predator_8GB_DDR3-2133_(PC3-17000)_CL_11_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_4GB_Memory_Modules)
or
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382101/Ballistix_Sport_8GB_DDR3-1600_(PC3-12800)_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_4GB_Memory_Modules)
For case I recommend a Bit Fenix Ghost ($90) for a combination of noise-mitigation & non-wacky looks:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/400546/Ghost_ATX_Mid_Tower_Computer_Case_-_Black
For PSU I recommend an Entermax NoiseTaker 375w ($25) though you could also consider the Antec Earthwatts Green 350w as the Enermax has a reputation for stiff cables (the Enermax, though, may be quieter if you set the fan to the lowest setting, which is why I recommended it over the Antec):
http://www.microcenter.com/product/399279/Noisetaker_375_Watt_ATX_12V_Power_Supply
For DVD-burner, whatever, throw in a Samsung for $17:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/403970/SH-224BB-BEBE_SATA_DVD-RW_Burner
Total: $832 (or a bit less with the other motherboard/RAM choices)
All of those SHOULD be in stock, as I directed the Microcenter website to give me only listings for the Kansas City location (which also limited some choices, of course). Now, the price does NOT include Windows (you'll want a real legal version, likely windows 8 64-bit), or monitors, or peripherals like monitors, SPEAKERS, webcam for video conferencing if needed, microphone, mouse, keyboard, all that.
The price is also probably quite a bit higher than you'd expect. Yes, you can save quite a lot of money by, say, going for an i3 system or getting a hard drive instead of an SSD or getting a cheaper case, etc. But all the extra money is buying luxury & performance. This should be a smooth, quiet, powerful computer that will make for a good work environment. The luxuries, in other words, should be worth it - far more than they would be for a gamer.
In other words, my advice is the exact opposite of DracoMan's just above me. Yeah, you could probably make the whole system for half the cost. But in the real world, it wouldn't actually be the same system.
P.S. If you need further advice on shopping for monitors, etc, let me know.

Hard to argue with this build. +1
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As much as we all love building systems, putting something together for someone in a business environment or vaguely-critical system(not to mention, remotely) without any sort of warranty or replacement plan is generally asking for issues. I would not expect you to be able to match an overnight advance replacement from a major name brand if something were to fail, not to mention a degree of data loss (as you have been mentioning backup solutions). The difference in cost offsets the time being down and losing revenue.

If you are REALLY insistent on continuing with this build, the one outlined in the quote above would likely suffice, but with a different PSU. Those Noisetakers are refurb units and that series hasn't been marketed in years.
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If you are REALLY insistent on continuing with this build, the one outlined in the quote above would likely suffice, but with a different PSU. Those Noisetakers are refurb units and that series hasn't been marketed in years.

I was wondering why I wasn't familiar with them. Well, the Antec Earthwatts I mentioned is their newer earhtwatts line, so that should be ok.
    
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