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i've use open office extensively. and open office can also deal with doc, so that's not an issue. the problem is that open office has too many glitches and crashes too much

People still use open office? Crap I thought it was a backup plan to LibreOffice now. All I know is that MSOffice is the problem when dealing with using files between the two as it seems to create changes or files that aren't nice with the ods and open formats.
     
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pretty sure maya supports linux
there is so much wrong with that statement. Linux software tends to be of a much higher quality then that of windows, much higher
I'm an avid linux supporter and I would disagree with that!

windows audio and display subsytem blows xorg and alsa clear out of the water. there are a lot of times the only way in linux for me to get my sound back (especially if a 32 bit application has granted itself sole control over the sound card, and does not release it when i close the program), is to reboot. in windows, dual displays are handled a whole lot better, as programs know that one monitor is 1680x1050 and the other is 1920x 1080, so when i fire up a program in full screen, it does not stretch across some mystical 3600x1080 that xorg sets for my dual monitor setup.

i could set here all day and layout ways windows is better than linux, but i could also do the reversal. so i hope no one takes this as a slight towards linux smile.gif. they both serve their purposes, and whichever meets your needs better is going to be the superior one.

as for steam coming to linux, all i can say its about time smile.gif

Whats the problems with x and how is windows alternte better?

As well I've never had any problems with 32/64bit software and sound. Indeed, getting either set up for me has always been as easy as installing xorg, alsa, a WM, starting the alsa service and and using xinit.
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The sound problem is user error and likely to do with a bad setup or config file, honestly never had that happen in all my years, and even then should be as simple as killing it and restarting the service ( same thing as restart the computer ). And the monitor situation is again, the wrong setup. I've got 5 monitors running off one box right just fine, and each one reacts just as it should tongue.gif

 

ugh, it is not user error, its alsa and xorg. I know how to configure alsa and xorg. and i was not talking about setting up multi-monitors, i was talking about once you have multi-monitors setup, talking about what resolution xorg reports once you have set it up. 

 

 xdpyinfo | grep dim

 

usually will get you that info, it reports for mine, 3600x1080. there are some programs that will query the driver for the gpu to find out which screen is set as default, and its native resolution to display in, but there are programs that just query xorg for that info and xorg reports that back to them, so you see the problem? xorg is literally telling them "oh its 1 monitor, resolution combined resoltuion", so they fullscreen across both monitors, which in most cases (in mine since they are different sizes) not 'working as intended'.

 

as for the alsa problem, straight alsa, it does not have the ability to mix the channels for 32 bit and 64 bit applications, if i use a 32 bit application in a 64 bit OS, it takes over the soundcard and does not release it when closed, cause often times the lib that is using the sound card, gets put into shared memory for later use, so restarting the service doesn't always relinquish control, only a reboot does that. it is why i use pulse as pulse does not have this problem, neither does OSS. (and don't get me started on multiple sound cards...not even that, but a USB headset).

 

all i'm saying is, these are just two examples of core systems in Linux Desktop that are lacking compared to their windows counterparts, they both either need to be replaced or much more dedication given to them. 

 

sorry for "derailing" further an already derailed thread. still waiting to see if i can get accepted into the steam beta :)

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linux is still a platform for those interested in configuration and not too bothered about some internetz and configuration to get it right. its not for the windows noobs who decided that they wanted a pc just for the extra graphics over their xbox and simple .exe to install process

This is exactly the type of mentality that has been keeping Linux from ever becoming usable to someone that wants to give it a try.
    
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Well, when I said that Linux software was of lesser quality then Windows I was really referring to the Server side of things. I mean can anyone think that Zimbra is better than Exchange for example? Who cares about little media apps...those are just personal preference. Though I should point out that none of the companies that have been licensed to make a media player that can read blue ray disks have been bothered to make a version for Linux. I'd love to have Sabyon on my media machines, but if I want to play a bluray I can't...well, I could, but first I'd have to spend two hours ripping a disk which is not always convenient or legal (since I may not actually own the disk I want play).
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I'd have to spend two hours ripping a disk which is not always convenient or legal (since I may not actually own the disk I want play).
Isn't it illegal whether you own it or not, due to convoluted copywrite laws?
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I'm an avid linux supporter and I would disagree with that!

windows audio and display subsytem blows xorg and alsa clear out of the water. there are a lot of times the only way in linux for me to get my sound back (especially if a 32 bit application has granted itself sole control over the sound card, and does not release it when i close the program), is to reboot. in windows, dual displays are handled a whole lot better, as programs know that one monitor is 1680x1050 and the other is 1920x 1080, so when i fire up a program in full screen, it does not stretch across some mystical 3600x1080 that xorg sets for my dual monitor setup.

i could set here all day and layout ways windows is better than linux, but i could also do the reversal. so i hope no one takes this as a slight towards linux smile.gif. they both serve their purposes, and whichever meets your needs better is going to be the superior one.

as for steam coming to linux, all i can say its about time smile.gif

The last time I had sound issues in Linux was back in the Mandrake 8 era. In other words, a long time ago. Sound simply works at boot in every distribution I've used since then, which has been too many to remember them all. I currently have less issues with sound in Linux than I do in Windows, which continually kills my sound and I have to uninstall then reinstall my Creative drivers to get it working again.

As for video, I've never used dual displays at differing resolutions so I can't comment, I bought matching monitors for triple screen. I had issues with that as even Windows has issues still. This is a big reason I dumped multi monitor, too many incompatibilities.

I believe it comes down to what hardware you buy. At this point, you should know which operating system you plan to run (as there are differences between Windows versions as well) and buy accordingly. You can't blame the operating system for your failure to research before you buy. It's pretty easy to search for issues with a piece of hardware and anyone who frequents this forum should do this on a regular basis before purchases.

They both have their problems.

Since I am full time Linux since shortly after Mint 13 released (May 23rd, 2012) I am thrilled that Steam is doing this project. I will support them and hopefully this will begin the era of gaming in Linux for the masses.
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The last time I had sound issues in Linux was back in the Mandrake 8 era. In other words, a long time ago. Sound simply works at boot in every distribution I've used since then, which has been too many to remember them all. I currently have less issues with sound in Linux than I do in Windows, which continually kills my sound and I have to uninstall then reinstall my Creative drivers to get it working again.
As for video, I've never used dual displays at differing resolutions so I can't comment, I bought matching monitors for triple screen. I had issues with that as even Windows has issues still. This is a big reason I dumped multi monitor, too many incompatibilities.
I believe it comes down to what hardware you buy. At this point, you should know which operating system you plan to run (as there are differences between Windows versions as well) and buy accordingly. You can't blame the operating system for your failure to research before you buy. It's pretty easy to search for issues with a piece of hardware and anyone who frequents this forum should do this on a regular basis before purchases.
They both have their problems.
Since I am full time Linux since shortly after Mint 13 released (May 23rd, 2012) I am thrilled that Steam is doing this project. I will support them and hopefully this will begin the era of gaming in Linux for the masses.

I am not blaming the OS, merely responding to the claim that "Linux software tends to be of a much higher quality then that of windows, much higher", which is not always the case. there are certain areas linux certainly surpasses windows in terms of software and ability, but often times it can barely compete with windows software.

 

as for vagrant storm example, he is right, there are a lot of "alternative" software as there isn't a direct port of it to linux, that pales in comparision to its windows counterpart, and there are several examples of software that is made for both platforms and the linux one lacking compared to the windows one. perfect example was firefox, my hatred for firefox did not begin in windows, but linux. its port just went down hill, release after release, it was slower and more unstable than its windows counterpart, things have improved of course with this rapid race to hit triple digit versions it seems to be in with chrome, but it was enough to make me switch to another browser when i was in linux.

 

the other that comes to mind is skype, it was neglected for a very long time, it seems under new management it has slightly improved.

 

also my IDE of choice runs a lot better in windows than it does linux, even tho java in linux is superior than its windows counterpart (as it is a java based IDE), all the other things in linux that are lacking, effect it. (mainly font rendering, but that is more of a configuration problem), but searching projects or indexing them take about 3 times longer in linux than it does in windows. syntax highlighting is hideously slow as well, it takes 10 seconds to a full minute sometimes from opening a file, before the highlighting is done. same with error reporting, there have been plenty of times, when the IDE does not give any indication that there is a problem with the code, but when i run it, it boinks. these are minor differences, not enough to ward me off from using it tho, and if they continue to get worst, I'm more than happy to find another IDE. 

 

these are all things i learned to accept about the OS a long time ago, but after several years, they are only marginally getting better or even addressed by the community. 

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I actually burst out load laughing when I read this.

Like I said, barely good enough for daily use.
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I actually burst out load laughing when I read this.

Like I said, barely good enough for daily use.

What the he11 are you talking about?


there is nothing you can do on a windows system that I can't do, the majority of the time much better, on mine
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