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Not to be a downer, but as excited as I am for Steam/more pc games on Linux, I have a feeling that usual whiny PC gamers are going to screw this up for anyone. They're still trying to get the damn thing to work, and ppl want to play Crysis already :/

Even if all that comes from this is indie/greenlit indie games getting mad Linux support, that'll be good enough for me to make the switch on my desktop.
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Not to be a downer, but as excited as I am for Steam/more pc games on Linux, I have a feeling that usual whiny PC gamers are going to screw this up for anyone. They're still trying to get the damn thing to work, and ppl want to play Crysis already :/
Even if all that comes from this is indie/greenlit indie games getting mad Linux support, that'll be good enough for me to make the switch on my desktop.

You know what I'm with you here. People are so busy thinking about whether games will bring more users to Linux. I say start thinking about what hardcore Linux users/developers will bring to games. Sounds like a bright future to me.
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name one. I dare you. try it.

Well, as I mentioned earlier...put a bluray disk in your Linux box and play it (without ripping it).

Truth be told, I think this is my largest barrier to using nothing but linux at home...if I am working on a server or developing I will desperately want it to be Windows based though. That is where Microsoft shines...in all reality I don't think it matters what OS you are running a browser or playing music. There is no difference. However, Samba servers are a complete pain to manage, Eclipse is nothing compared to Visual Studio, and Exchange Server is simply awesome. Though I certainly don't mind if I get to work a database on linux. Though if it isn't Oracle I probably would prefer MS SQL Server over some of the other Linux options, but it would likely not be a horrible ordeal. Stuff like DHCP and DNS don't really matter...though again...a Windows based system will just be a lot easier to manage.

The trouble is that most of the free software was basically made in some one's basement in their free time. The author's aren't going to care if a user has to enter in a few dozen commands in a console while a vended app on windows will go out of their way to may it easy to use and thus only require a couple mouse clicks. That is really what this is all about. Comparing free apps on Linux to vended apps on Windows is just the same as comparing free apps on Windows to vended apps on Windows. You will have small teams, or even one person, developing vrs huge 20-30 man development teams with project management resources guiding them along.

personally, I have always preferred eclipse.

I should point out most large FOSS software still have massive dev teams- gnome, the kernel, gimp, firefox, chrom(ium) etc.

as well blueray is not a problem the majority of the world has. well annoying, and everything is moving towards stored data anyway so I don't see the problem with ripping a blueray
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Ahh see this is where you underestimate the community aspect of Linux. If someone makes something that's desirable in any right, it doesn't matter if they work out all of the bugs or tailor it for better usability, because if it's popular enough someone else will come along and add something/work out a bug. At which point it becomes even more popular, and then more people become interested in making it better, and pretty soon you've got something completely different that rivals commercial software while being almost perfectly tailored to it's user base. All the while remaining liberated from price and control.

but the control is the project management. That makes it much easier to build a quality app. Not to mention speed of development. Do you have any idea how long it took to get these apps we use daily on Linux to the level they are? How long do we have to wait for an app to be updated if some other change broke it? You can Damn the Man and preach open source all you want, but at the end of the day even 1000 people working on an open source app around the world will not typically be able to compete with even a 20 person team that is directed and managed with structured communication (that isn't to say that project management can't fail either...but this isn't a new science any more and it is getting pretty good these days).

I am not saying they can't make a quality app...I've personally helped with open source projects, but the time and chaos involved with having multiple versions of the same app floating around, finding out you've been breaking other people code after the fact, and the lack of easy, structured communication make it very time consuming and difficult. That is just the price of free software though. If you buy a vended app on Linux there are seldom many differences than what you would find on a vended Windows app.
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personally, I have always preferred eclipse.
I should point out most large FOSS software still have massive dev teams- gnome, the kernel, gimp, firefox, chrom(ium) etc.
as well blueray is not a problem the majority of the world has. well annoying, and everything is moving towards stored data anyway so I don't see the problem with ripping a blueray

Meh...eclipse is fine if you just want to type in some code...but the built in tools in Visual Studio are really nice plus the way it will seamlessly integrate with other Microsoft products. Though really it is hard to compare them...since if I was working on something for Linux I would of course be using Eclipse. Honestly, I think I like Xcode the best...which is an Apple only product...it is even free software if you can believe that. I've never truly used it...just played around with it, but I started liking it right away. It was just really easy to use I guess....hard to explain. It is like they took the best parts of Eclipse and the best parts of VS and put them together.

The Bluray deal becomes an issue if some one comes over with a disk...then we would have to wait two hours just to watch the movie. Though that is encoding it to MP4, but ripping it to a raw .mt2s file is still a 30 minute process or there abouts. I don't usually do that since it makes like a 20+GB file. Plus I know I shouldn't...since I don't own the disc, but yet I am making a copy that will be siting on my hardware. I can't see how I'd ever be caught, but it just feels wrong...since, well, it is wrong and then I have to deal with the temptation to not delete a movie I really liked when my guest leaves as well.

Though really it is the time factor. If some one brings their kids over for a two hour play date there just isn't the time...if there is time, I then have a bunch of five year olds screaming for their movie and asking constantly if its done (and if we are watching a movie that means it is cold or rainy day and I can't even kick 'em out side). Heh, I've tried it...when I first got a Bluray drive I had Linux on my media machine for a while...before I learned that it just wasn't going to work. Like I said...it is the only barrier to me using Linux on my media machines (Well, I'd have to check on if my Playstation 2 emulator works on linux...I am almost positive it does though)
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@Vagrant...you could use MakeMKV as a decryptor (it has a Linux version) and then route it into your desired player. Or, possibly see if they've updated the old Bluray key library that was released and follow the directions to using them. To me it doesn't matter Windows or Linux on bluray as you can't play bluray in either without paying money.

As for the main topic: come on Valve and get the client released. I want to game from an OS of my choice.
     
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@Vagrant...you could use MakeMKV as a decryptor (it has a Linux version) and then route it into your desired player. Or, possibly see if they've updated the old Bluray key library that was released and follow the directions to using them. To me it doesn't matter Windows or Linux on bluray as you can't play bluray in either without paying money.
As for the main topic: come on Valve and get the client released. I want to game from an OS of my choice.

Have you tried it recently? I tried this about probably about a year ago...but with the Windows version...since even in the Windows world the BluRay players are complete trash, but at least they exist. However, I could only get it to read about 1 out of 3 disks...mostly copy protection errors I believe.

I honestly had not heard of it having this capability in Linux...I might have to try it. +Rep. I'll probably run my PowerDVD12 license into the dirt first though since I have it. I will have to check the MakeDVD licensing too...I have three machines I need it to work on...I don't want to buy three keys for it.
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The thing is, will we still have all the games we bought for Windows available for Linux? If not then this is a deal breaker.
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The thing is, will we still have all the games we bought for Windows available for Linux? If not then this is a deal breaker.

Do you have that with OSX? That's the answer to your question. Valve can't force other companies to port. It can offer incentives if it wants but the choice is up to the other devs/publishers. Of course if everyone just went and gamed on Linux and did all their other work on windows (so they wouldn't complain too much) then of course the other devs would port.

@Windows/Consumers in general:
It's up to the consumer where things go once Valve finishes the Linux native client. People can make things change but they often rather complain and/or accept things as they are. I guess the question is whether you are happy with the projected direction of Windows and games on that platform. If you are then stick to that and don't put those who aren't down or act like you're choice is the best.


@Vagrant: I can agree with you that the more recent the bluray the worse support even in those extortionist priced PowerDVD players is. For all my blurays so far I haven't had a problem with the most recent updates to MakeMKV. I'm not sure with the licensing for it though. If you really wanted to you could also WINE or VM PowerDVD as there should be GPU handling covered now IIRC. Personally, VDPAU and VDPAU color correction/conversion are better than DXVA so I just dump the videos onto a drive and then run them through a Mplayer frontend/GUI or XBMC.
     
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@Vagrant: I can agree with you that the more recent the bluray the worse support even in those extortionist priced PowerDVD players is. For all my blurays so far I haven't had a problem with the most recent updates to MakeMKV. I'm not sure with the licensing for it though. If you really wanted to you could also WINE or VM PowerDVD as there should be GPU handling covered now IIRC. Personally, VDPAU and VDPAU color correction/conversion are better than DXVA so I just dump the videos onto a drive and then run them through a Mplayer frontend/GUI or XBMC.

Actually my media machine is a VM...so I know I got the GPU pass through covered and have that route available. Heh, I guess technically my main media machine is a linux box...runs ESXi with two Windows server 2008 installs (DC/DNS and Backups) plus a Windows 7 install for my media machine that gets the GPU pass through, but ESXi is Linux based. Though I would never run a VM of Windows 7 on linux...still need the license any way so you might as well run it bare metal...in this type of application at least.

The PowerDVD license will technically last forever, but when they make PowerDVD13 it will not work for it...you have to pay for an upgrade. So I'd probably just run PowerDVD12 until they stop updating it. Because then I will probably be in the same boat as using MakeMKV if they've gotten better at updating it. I plan to go grab a 30 day trial of it and give it a whirl...if it works well I might have Linux on my media machines by the weekend...or at least using MakeMKV on windows streaming it over to VLC. PowerDVD doesn't even have mouse support most of the time (have to use the keyboard). If I decided to keep using it; it would only be becasue I spent money on it. Though I will have to check into the licensing of MakeMKV...I wonder if you have to pay separately for the linux and windows versions?

Woot...a project to do! Been a while since I messed with this stuff at home.
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