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the whole reason why everyone in the linux community is happy is because gaming is the only place in which windows can be better then linux. this may be a bit biased, but other then that windows is complete sh** for everything else. there is absolutely nothing else linux can't do better, except rip you off.
The whole point is so that windows doesn't have a place among anyone who knows anything about computer. evidently the world won't switch, but if linux gaming (big titles will hopfully start supporting an a year or two) then no one on OCN has any excuse not to use it considering how downright bad every windows release in the last 10 years has been

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Erm, I'm an avid Linux user, but Windows has a palce with people who know things about computers.

I was a longtime Linux user and used it exclusively for years. As someone who only uses Windows 7 (at the moment) I can tell you I only switched for one reason: commercial apps. Games are a major part of it, but the ease of using the official program for my printer/scanner, wireless router, iTunes, Amazon MP3, Photoshop... just too many programs that don't have a true equal, or a functional equal without bugs.

That being said.. if you did a comparison of just core components Linux wiped the floor with Windows.
    
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I can back that up. the beta works flawlessly on fedora. if you thought you could just play, remember it is a closed beta rolleyes.gif you need to apply and hope you get the invite. if not then you can look around but are locked out of most games
no. the whole reason why everyone in the linux community is happy is because gaming is the only place in which windows can be better then linux. this may be a bit biased, but other then that windows is complete sh** for everything else. there is absolutely nothing else linux can't do better, except rip you off.
The whole point is so that windows doesn't have a place among anyone who knows anything about computer. evidently the world won't switch, but if linux gaming (big titles will hopfully start supporting an a year or two) then no one on OCN has any excuse not to use it considering how downright bad every windows release in the last 10 years has been

Erm, I'm an avid Linux user, but Windows has a palce with people who know things about computers.

Ever heard of this little thing called ubuntu/mint? you should try it sometime.

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the whole reason why everyone in the linux community is happy is because gaming is the only place in which windows can be better then linux. this may be a bit biased, but other then that windows is complete sh** for everything else. there is absolutely nothing else linux can't do better, except rip you off.
The whole point is so that windows doesn't have a place among anyone who knows anything about computer. evidently the world won't switch, but if linux gaming (big titles will hopfully start supporting an a year or two) then no one on OCN has any excuse not to use it considering how downright bad every windows release in the last 10 years has been

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Erm, I'm an avid Linux user, but Windows has a palce with people who know things about computers.

I was a longtime Linux user and used it exclusively for years. As someone who only uses Windows 7 (at the moment) I can tell you I only switched for one reason: commercial apps. Games are a major part of it, but the ease of using the official program for my printer/scanner, wireless router, iTunes, Amazon MP3, Photoshop... just too many programs that don't have a true equal, or a functional equal without bugs.

That being said.. if you did a comparison of just core components Linux wiped the floor with Windows.

itunes: banshee (or what I do is mount my iphone and transfer the files directly)
photoshop: gimp
printer drivers: cups (works in most places, if buying a new printer search online first)
wireless router: ? mine works fine
mp3: again I haven’t had any problems with those

I think alot of linux users are sick of those excuses. when was the last time you tried linux? maybe you should have a go with mint. the slackware/debian only days are long gone
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Why can't we all live in peace and harmony and not argue over which great OS is better?









Edit: I can't get the damn size to work....rolleyes.gif
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Why can't we all live in peace and harmony and not argue over which great OS is better?
Edit: I can't get the damn size to work....rolleyes.gif

Windows users get their panties in a bunch when Linux threads get made.
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People are delusional if they think that porting a few aging Valve games and releasing client with mostly indie games most of which have linux version available directly from devs is going to force major publishers to release linux versions of AAA titles. We don't even get some games on PC due to lack of incentive on publisher's half.

As long as Windows is a dominant PC OS it will be favored. Linux is a minority and no developer will cater to minority, especially when they know that if people want their games real bad they would get Windows to play them if it's the only choice.

It would be awesome to have OS agnostic games, but it's hard to imagine given current business practices.
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Ever heard of this little thing called ubuntu/mint? you should try it sometime.
itunes: banshee (or what I do is mount my iphone and transfer the files directly)
photoshop: gimp
printer drivers: cups (works in most places, if buying a new printer search online first)
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mp3: again I haven’t had any problems with those
I think alot of linux users are sick of those excuses. when was the last time you tried linux? maybe you should have a go with mint. the slackware/debian only days are long gone

I am quite sure that by commercial software he means high end closed source software. For electrical engineering we have software like Altium and Plusonix, both of which come NOWHERE near the current open source alternative, Kicad.

For video work, we have after effects and sony vegas. There is no software on linux which I know of that comes even close to After Effects.

Sure, gimp is good for photo work, but does not come close to the large feature set Photoshop offers, not to mention how the entire Photoshop and after effects group work together.

Then for engineering you have programs like Solid Works and Autocad, both of which take massive swaths of money to make and design, and I highly doubt they could be open source alternatives to programs like these due to the sheer amount of constant new work needing to be done.

Heck, the autocad suite is very well integrated, you have a 3d rendering and modeling program like Maya or 3ds max for producing very good quality renders of your products, then Autocad for either EE's, Civies, plant designers, and even mechanical designs. Not to mention Inventor, which I love so much. These guys even include proper high end physics simulation for strain testing your design and plastic mold simulation.

So linux for me is not an option for two reasons. It still does not have a good library of games. I cannot run BF3 on it for example, and wine is sometimes hit or miss. Hopefully with the new linux support for game engines and games in general that will be solved. But I also need my "professional" applications, which I highly doubt will go to linux any time soon. Yes, we have blender, which is an amazing piece of software in of itself, but it does not even open stl files! The lack of programs like Altium and Inventor is a large blocking factor for using linux in a workplace. Hopefully in the future these do get ported to linux, in which case, I will happily throw all my windows garbage out, but in the meantime windows for me it is.
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Please tell me you aren't serious?
Of course there are issue reports, its a BETA. The people are TESTING the BETA and REPORTING the ISSUES BECAUSE ITS A BETA and it JUST GOT PORTED. That's like saying OH MAN EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE PORT IS GARBAGE because they all have unforseen issues during development, not because the released product is trash, but because the internal testing builds were.

Also, Steam on Linux seems to be quite stable, minor issues aside, I have had it crash my X11 server ONCE, I have also had the client crash to desktop uncleanly with no verbosity once. Not perfect, but damned usable; and in my experience it wasn't much better than that on Windows. I run Steam via Wine in addition to the native client, as even though Steam on Linux will install SOME windows games if wine is detected, it won't install many (most notably TrackMania, but I don't own that title)
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People are delusional if they think that porting a few aging Valve games and releasing client with mostly indie games most of which have linux version available directly from devs is going to force major publishers to release linux versions of AAA titles. We don't even get some games on PC due to lack of incentive on publisher's half.
As long as Windows is a dominant PC OS it will be favored. Linux is a minority and no developer will cater to minority, especially when they know that if people want their games real bad they would get Windows to play them if it's the only choice.
It would be awesome to have OS agnostic games, but it's hard to imagine given current business practices.
There are several points on which you are correct, and I maintain that this push from Valve won't cause a major collapse of Microsoft, and that not every game studio is going to start churning out their titles cross platform (though all they have to do in most cases is check an additional target box in VS2010 or whatever IDE they have set up) However, you are delusional if you think this will have zero impact on the PC industry. Most game dev studios watch Gabe's decisions like a HAWK. Anything he does, they try to mimic - he has this clutch hold on PC gaming like nobody's business. The limited beta is already 10,000 people large, not counting members of the internal and closed betas. Presuming each of those people paid only $19.99 for a title, that's $200,000 in additional revenue for very little effort and cash on Valve's part. Most of these people obviously already own titles, but Valve has opened the door to more people now. Furthermore, this gives the literally thousands of people I've seen post on THIS FORUM ALONE the ability to do what they have said for so long: "If all the source games get ported, I'll never go back to Windows."

In response to the how long its going to take to port all the source games - the answer is much less time than you think - since the engine is now properly ported, all they have to do is plug in the pieces to the other games, compile it and work out whatever kinks they come across, which should be few. Not much more work than releasing DLC.
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Depends on your definition of decent. I'm not a picky gamer that needs omg*** graphics ( fitting topic as that seems to be the main thing kids these days want above anything such as gameplay, storyline, etc ). Steam coming to Linux opens the doors for a good chunk of games big and small. A lot of game engines already have opengl support and would be very minimal work to be fully compatible with Linux.

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Cool news for those that are interested in Linux. Though I was honestly expecting more games...there are actually quite of few games that ONLY work on Linux out there.

For those that are thinking this is getting them closer to leaving Windows for good...you need to keep in mind you would never be able to play your current games then. Unless it one of the game that works well in WINE. Plus it is very, very likely that you will be using Windows in your work place and I certainly know I like to have my office at home setup like my office at work. Linux software options are not as limited as they used to be, but in most situations they don't hold a candle to options available in Windows and will never be able to unless you can get people and businesses to switch to Linux by the millions. It just cant' happen...not in the near future anyway. Even Apple has only managed to chip away a few percent of the computer market. Linux with little corporate backing and little standardization doesn't have a chance. Software developers are simply not going to invest in developing for a platform not many people use.

I think it is safe to say that you will always have to deal with the Windows operating system to some extent. Unless you don't care about the quality of software you use.
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Ever heard of this little thing called ubuntu/mint? you should try it sometime.
itunes: banshee (or what I do is mount my iphone and transfer the files directly)
photoshop: gimp
printer drivers: cups (works in most places, if buying a new printer search online first)
wireless router: ? mine works fine
mp3: again I haven’t had any problems with those
I think alot of linux users are sick of those excuses. when was the last time you tried linux? maybe you should have a go with mint. the slackware/debian only days are long gone

I am quite sure that by commercial software he means high end closed source software. For electrical engineering we have software like Altium and Plusonix, both of which come NOWHERE near the current open source alternative, Kicad.

For video work, we have after effects and sony vegas. There is no software on linux which I know of that comes even close to After Effects.

Sure, gimp is good for photo work, but does not come close to the large feature set Photoshop offers, not to mention how the entire Photoshop and after effects group work together.

Then for engineering you have programs like Solid Works and Autocad, both of which take massive swaths of money to make and design, and I highly doubt they could be open source alternatives to programs like these due to the sheer amount of constant new work needing to be done.

Heck, the autocad suite is very well integrated, you have a 3d rendering and modeling program like Maya or 3ds max for producing very good quality renders of your products, then Autocad for either EE's, Civies, plant designers, and even mechanical designs. Not to mention Inventor, which I love so much. These guys even include proper high end physics simulation for strain testing your design and plastic mold simulation.

So linux for me is not an option for two reasons. It still does not have a good library of games. I cannot run BF3 on it for example, and wine is sometimes hit or miss. Hopefully with the new linux support for game engines and games in general that will be solved. But I also need my "professional" applications, which I highly doubt will go to linux any time soon. Yes, we have blender, which is an amazing piece of software in of itself, but it does not even open stl files! The lack of programs like Altium and Inventor is a large blocking factor for using linux in a workplace. Hopefully in the future these do get ported to linux, in which case, I will happily throw all my windows garbage out, but in the meantime windows for me it is.

pretty sure maya supports linux

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Cool news for those that are interested in Linux. Though I was honestly expecting more games...there are actually quite of few games that ONLY work on Linux out there.

For those that are thinking this is getting them closer to leaving Windows for good...you need to keep in mind you would never be able to play your current games then. Unless it one of the game that works well in WINE. Plus it is very, very likely that you will be using Windows in your work place and I certainly know I like to have my office at home setup like my office at work. Linux software options are not as limited as they used to be, but in most situations they don't hold a candle to options available in Windows and will never be able to unless you can get people and businesses to switch to Linux by the millions. It just cant' happen...not in the near future anyway. Even Apple has only managed to chip away a few percent of the computer market. Linux with little corporate backing and little standardization doesn't have a chance. Software developers are simply not going to invest in developing for a platform not many people use.

I think it is safe to say that you will always have to deal with the Windows operating system to some extent. Unless you don't care about the quality of software you use.

there is so much wrong with that statement. Linux software tends to be of a much higher quality then that of windows, much higher
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