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They were. IDC what the companies were telling people, there is NO way on gods green earth that companies would be loosing money on a product.....period. As SOON as a product is not making money, they shut down the plant. People will gut their companies before they going into debt over a particular department.

Entirely not true. Especially not for a company like Samsung which is positioning itself to be a one stop source for everything you need electronics wise. Many unprofitable divisions are held in conglomerate companies in order to show a "total" solution face, and a variety of other reasons.

Samsung as a whole was making money, so certain divisions losing money in order to compete for the market is entirely plausible and happens all the time.

This announcement by them introduces plausible deniability for any collusion with fellow memory IC makers who also decide to follow suit and limit their production capacity so the market would raise the price of memory based on lower supply. They didn't just cut production, they cut production while screaming at the top of their lungs that they were doing to because making the memory wasn't profitable enough. If that isn't a huge hint to other IC producers that they could match the move and make more per part, I don't know what else it could be.
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They were. IDC what the companies were telling people, there is NO way on gods green earth that companies would be loosing money on a product.....period. As SOON as a product is not making money, they shut down the plant. People will gut their companies before they going into debt over a particular department.

Not entirely accurate. Starting up and stopping production of a manufacturing process isn't like turning off a faucet. There are overheads that don't disappear just because you stop production. There is idle raw materials inventory sitting there using up capital, there is work-in-process that needs to be completed...it requires careful analysis before making the determination to stop production. Even selling your product at a loss may be more beneficial because even though it may not make a profit, the revenue contributes to and exceeds the fixed costs such as plant depreciation, utilities, insurance on the facilities, security, etc.

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OH and the ram companies also said a while ago that they would do this to fund the push for DDR4 memory as well soooooo maybe that is something to look forward too jealoussmiley.gif

In any case I still got my 16GB for 50 bucks on sale. I could sell it for twice that now biggrin.gif

The problem with that statement is that unless you've 32GB, so that you could sell 16GB and keep 16GB, you've have to turn around and pay even more to replace it, or pay less and get an inferior product. smile.gif
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Entirely not true. Especially not for a company like Samsung which is positioning itself to be a one stop source for everything you need electronics wise. Many unprofitable divisions are held in conglomerate companies in order to show a "total" solution face, and a variety of other reasons.

Samsung as a whole was making money, so certain divisions losing money in order to compete for the market is entirely plausible and happens all the time.

This announcement by them introduces plausible deniability for any collusion with fellow memory IC makers who also decide to follow suit and limit their production capacity so the market would raise the price of memory based on lower supply. They didn't just cut production, they cut production while screaming at the top of their lungs that they were doing to because making the memory wasn't profitable enough. If that isn't a huge hint to other IC producers that they could match the move and make more per part, I don't know what else it could be.

We appear to be on the same page...from my post #678
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While I wouldn't be surprised if they are all in it together, I think that they learned from their mistakes last time they got caught doing it and are going about it much smarter...thru the use the changing product mix and by announcing the shift to more profitable product lines as the reason for the reduction in memory chip production.
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The problem with that statement is that unless you've 32GB, so that you could sell 16GB and keep 16GB, you've have to turn around and pay even more to replace it, or pay less and get an inferior product. smile.gif

Sort of. I have other ram kits new in the box. Usually I buy them for dirt cheap with newegg's 15% off sales and keep them lying around for customers who need a new PC.

I still have plenty of samsung kits, some gskill, one or two corsair, and of course mushkin.

I used to be able to make a 5 dollar profit on each kit and still sell the ram cheaper than what newegg would sell the ram at when it wasn't on sale.....but nooooooo. Not anymore mad.gif
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Sort of. I have other ram kits new in the box. Usually I buy them for dirt cheap with newegg's 15% off sales and keep them lying around for customers who need a new PC.

I still have plenty of samsung kits, some gskill, one or two corsair, and of course mushkin.

I've been known to do a little stocking up on sale items, as well. smile.gif

Maybe with ram prices going up you'll be able to turn up the profit margin on your holdings. Samsung and the other guys may have done you a favor.
Edited by Reefa_Madness - 4/8/13 at 12:02pm
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Samsung will be a popular choice for skt1150.. i wouldnt sell any of your sticks until after Hswll is released. headsetsmiley.png

post #687 of 1055
I can't help but wonder if we're going to get a new wave of ICs for Haswell, or are we going to have to wait for DDR4 to see anything new?
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Not sure if new ICs, but I would expect new haswell memory kits (same kits with new advertising at the least tongue.gif ) to launch with the boards & cpus.
    
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Whos gonna be first to release a 4ghz kit I wonder. ..
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I can still get mine cheap from China. I wonder if 32GB is really needed.... I would get you guys some, but shipping would eat the savings. Ask me in June, when I may be able to bring some to Canada in my pocket smile.gif
 
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