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I dont know why people buy sammies though, just get the true budget budget overclocker dream RAM, PSC, or even BBSE. 4 sticks of PSC or even BBSE will crap all over sammy's anyday.

Simple...

(1) Because some people want more capacity than a 2x2GB kit, or 2x 2x2GB. Try populating your Sandy or Ivy Bridge rig with 16 or 32GB of PSC based ram...simply isn't going to happen, you are limited to 8GB.

(2) Because some people don't want to sit around waiting for a kit or two of PSC to come available on OCN, or some people don't like dealing with an unknown individual on eBay (BTW, how's your WTB thread doing for you?).

(3) Because some people prefer to buy a new product and not worry about those "bencher" modules having been subjected to sub-ambient temps at 1.9v+ prior to being sold on eBay

(4) Because some people don't want to have to go to the trouble of trying to tweak every last drop out of a pair of unmatched kits in order to be able to run them together at 2400+ for peformance that isn't noticeable unless benching or a few select applications...they would rather just buy a 2x4 kit of Sammies (or something else) and set them to 2133 CL9 at 1.65v and leave it at that.

From my perspective, PSC makes for GREAT benching ram, but for most people there are better alternatives for day-to-day use. And just for the record, I easily have 25 or more kits of PSC based ram, plus an equal amount of BBSE, so it isn't that I'm not a fan of the stuff, but really, for day-to-day I would go with the Sammies because of the additonal capacity, lower power requirements and plenty of OC headroom for most users.
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no i am not silly.

i see them sell like hotcakes for ~ 100 np.

it isnt the rich kids that buy it the ones that want sammies do.

i have gskillwith sammies on them and they are NOT as good.
i can bench my sammies @ 2500ish 9-11-11 1t
my gskill tightest i can go @ same speeds is 10-12-12 2t.
i am not done with my sammies either i can get it to boot 2600ish working on benching.
HUGE difference.
the ics are not the only thing the pcb as well. even @ 100 ish they fly off the shelves
you may not buy them. others may.

i still think 80-90 is doable. i wouldnt buy them but i have 2 sets

SOURCE
seems pretty black and white to me. you can do what you want. but as i see it.... you can not sell for a profit. feel free to have a mod comment and say that i am wrong. but unless a mod does so i just will follow the rules
i understand this is for recent purchases. but if you cant make profit on a new product i dont see how you can on a used one

First off, I wasn't calling you silly. I was calling the notion of buying used ram at that price to be silly. So please understand that.

Benching with samsung ram is a bit more of a fun thing than a serious thing.

Samsung memory is all about trying to get the maximum bang for as little bucks as possible. Benching (IMO of course) is about trying to get the best possible score for benchmarks. In other words, you simply will not be setting world record OCs with samsung ram.

Also, keep in mind that the fact that you can bench at that speed has a lot to do with luck. There is a possibility that this guy's ram won't even boot into windows at anything more than 2200 mhz. If you want to bench ram, then for the 100 bucks, I would look at this ram instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638&IsVirtualParent=1 . There is another member who benched the team extreme stuff I linked earlier all the way up to 2666 and benched this gskill pretty high as well.

Again, it is all luck. However, generally speaking, if you want to have really fast ram, then buy a really fast kit to begin with and then OC it.

In short, if you gave me the option of spending 100 bucks on USED samsung ram vs spending the same 100 bucks on NEW 2400mhz ram........I am buying the 2400mhz ram.



I will write the mods an email about that rule. I think that rule was made without the idea that the market could inflate certain products so much. I know I have made profit before on a couple items without the mods getting upset.. Maybe that rule is just too difficult to enforce. For instance, I have an HDD to sell off. Who is to say that I bought it when HDDs were cheap, or if I bought it when HDDs were severely inflated.

Like I said, I will figure that one out.
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I will write the mods an email about that rule. I think that rule was made without the idea that the market could inflate certain products so much. I know I have made profit before on a couple items without the mods getting upset.. Maybe that rule is just too difficult to enforce. For instance, I have an HDD to sell off. Who is to say that I bought it when HDDs were cheap, or if I bought it when HDDs were severely inflated.

Like I said, I will figure that one out.

It wil be interesting to see what you find out.

Just like your example about the HD, with market prices for ram increasing, a kit that was bought 6 months ago while prices were lower could be sold today for less than a new one, but still be for more than it cost you to buy it 6 months ago. How would it be fair/reasonable to either prevent you from selling it at current market prices, or expect you to sell it at below cost just because you got during a time the ram market was depressed?
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Marketplace question
from: Bitemarks and bloodstains on June 7, 8:54 pm
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"I think this means that you can not go out and buy something on sale and try to flip it for a quick buck.
I believe the rule was to prevent people from making a very small business, but I don't feel like the rule was set up to prevent people from selling items at fair market value."

That is correct.

The RAM would be fine to sell at the that price.

We also allow the sale of "golden hardware" for more that what was paid.

As you have said flipping items is not OK and can result in a marketplace ban but selling a few months later for market value (if it has increased) is OK.


This is the message I received from Bitemarks. thumb.gif
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Common sense response.

Bookmarked should the need ever arise.
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Do they still manufacture these?

I bought a kit ages ago for $40, still unopened and waiting for a future upgrade lol. One of the very rare electronics/parts that actually increased in value with age.... biggrin.gif
post #807 of 1055
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Do they still manufacture these?

I bought a kit ages ago for $40, still unopened and waiting for a future upgrade lol. One of the very rare electronics/parts that actually increased in value with age.... biggrin.gif

The answer to your question lies in what production week those kits that are being sold overseas have. The last week that I saw here in the States was 1230 and some of the GSkill 2400 C9 and 2666 C10 kits that hit the market around the end of last year / beg of this year had chips on them with week 1237. If anyone has Sammies low voltage with production weeks newer than those then you will know that they are still being produced, just not released in the States, otherwise it would appear that they are no longer produced.
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Do they still manufacture these?

I bought a kit ages ago for $40, still unopened and waiting for a future upgrade lol. One of the very rare electronics/parts that actually increased in value with age.... biggrin.gif

The answer to your question lies in what production week those kits that are being sold overseas have. The last week that I saw here in the States was 1230 and some of the GSkill 2400 C9 and 2666 C10 kits that hit the market around the end of last year / beg of this year had chips on them with week 1237. If anyone has Sammies low voltage with production weeks newer than those then you will know that they are still being produced, just not released in the States, otherwise it would appear that they are no longer produced.

Hmm that was a fairly short run, were they to costly to make or why did they stop selling them (within the states)? I know the memory market is super saturated, so potentially Samsung just didn't feel like competing in it with such low returns.
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There is a widely held belief that Samsung and some of the other big players decided to reduce production because the price of the ICs was so low and they could make more money by shifting production to other products, including ram for the server market.

You can google this topic and find all sort of articles and discussion on it. There have been threads started here on OCN, as well, plus I think that in this thread this has been already discussed.
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OCN rules refers more to resellers, ie people going to microcenter and buying an ivy every single day. Hence why the rules bundled with that line are about listings and such.

There's also no real way to enforce that exactly... Now I'm not saying the rules bend or anything here, but the true cost of an item is market cost. No one is going to expect to sell sammies for the $40 they sold for originally.

I dont know why people buy sammies though, just get the true budget budget overclocker dream RAM, PSC, or even BBSE. 4 sticks of PSC or even BBSE will crap all over sammy's anyday.

pfft. bench 2500 CL 11? I'm 24/7 running 2600 CL9 or 2400 CL8s.

yea... well mine is on a 8350 i can boot @~2600 working on that... cant wait to bench. also i may be buying some 2666 to test to see if i can stable them for 24/7
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