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DO NOT WANT.
Steam, and all other forms of intrusive, unneeded DRM should not be drooled over or wanted, it should be burned with fire. I'm one of those people that can't see much of a difference between say, Valve, and say, Ubi. At least Ubi releases games (joke drum tune).
I should prolly clarify this for those rabid Steam fans, but I won't. Steam is just terribad and not needed. Burn it with fire like all other bloatware and spyware, which is what it is essentially.

it's not JUST drm, it does more than that, that's why i use it. it does lots of stuff that would be manually intensive other wise.
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Cool story bro.
Enjoy buying a disc for every $2-$15 indie game out now and coming out in future.

Or get DRM free Digital Downloads and stop feeding middlemen DRM programs. Ones that can remove purchased games from your account without notification or refund. Yea, love those "services".

Not using Steam = Having to buy discs? Um... cool story bro.
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Well... I'm not a big fan of Steam but it's not an evil empire that you make it out to be. Quite honestly I love the idea of it. It's a library of Video Games, pretty friggin awesome.

Yet its closer to being as evil as I make it out to be than it is to being the savior most others think it is wink.gif

Know what I had before Steam that did everything that Steam does now for me? A folder. I had a little folder called "Games" which I then split into subfolders for genre's and favs. I owned those games, and could launch them and play them without the need for intrusive DRM like Steam. I also didn't have to worry about purchased games suddenly asking me to buy them again.

My opinions are mine. I just happen to be one of the "lucky" people who have had to deal with the really bad aspects of Steam, like having games I paid money for taken from me without notice, and having Steam deny I own the games even after providing receipts and bank/CC statements. The first time in my life I ever bought a game and wasn't allowed to play it. So yea, maybe it has more to do with people just overlooking the terrible issues because they don't have to deal with them.

But oh well, I guess I should love them for allowing me the chance to buy the same game over and over and not get to play. That itself is a game!

Personally, I consider Steam more akin to a data mining virus than I do to anything useful. Because, well, it has not done anything for me to benefit me, but has hindered me immensely.

Back OT to the Steam console. It's funny. I see Valve talking about how bad MS is and how Win8 is so "closed" and "bad for gaming" yet Valve will likely create a console thats just that, locked down and closed to Steam games and programs. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black IMO.

But only time will tell. But what are the chances they will allow Origin games to be played? I say pretty close to nothing. So yea, they can preach and moan all they like, but they are one of the more evil companies out there, and they seem to have the communities blessing.

But hey, thats just my take on things...

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it's not JUST drm, it does more than that, that's why i use it. it does lots of stuff that would be manually intensive other wise.

And for those that don't want/need those "extra features" that steam offers? It's simply intrusive DRM that you have ZERO choice in the matter about.

Pretty DRM is still DRM. Intrusive and useless DRM. They can make Steam optional completely, but theres a reason they won't.
Edited by Fuell - 12/11/12 at 3:01am
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Or get DRM free Digital Downloads and stop feeding middlemen DRM programs. Ones that can remove purchased games from your account without notification or refund. Yea, love those "services".
Not using Steam = Having to buy discs? Um... cool story bro.
Yet its closer to being as evil as I make it out to be than it is to being the savior most others think it is wink.gif
Know what I had before Steam that did everything that Steam does now for me? A folder. I had a little folder called "Games" which I then split into subfolders for genre's and favs. I owned those games, and could launch them and play them without the need for intrusive DRM like Steam. I also didn't have to worry about purchased games suddenly asking me to buy them again.
My opinions are mine. I just happen to be one of the "lucky" people who have had to deal with the really bad aspects of Steam, like having games I paid money for taken from me without notice, and having Steam deny I own the games even after providing receipts and bank/CC statements. The first time in my life I ever bought a game and wasn't allowed to play it. So yea, maybe it has more to do with people just overlooking the terrible issues because they don't have to deal with them.
But oh well, I guess I should love them for allowing me the chance to buy the same game over and over and not get to play. That itself is a game!
Personally, I consider Steam more akin to a data mining virus than I do to anything useful. Because, well, it has not done anything for me to benefit me, but has hindered me immensely.
Back OT to the Steam console. It's funny. I see Valve talking about how bad MS is and how Win8 is so "closed" and "bad for gaming" yet Valve will likely create a console thats just that, locked down and closed to Steam games and programs. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black IMO.
But only time will tell. But what are the chances they will allow Origin games to be played? I say pretty close to nothing. So yea, they can preach and moan all they like, but they are one of the more evil companies out there, and they seem to have the communities blessing.
But hey, thats just my take on things...
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And for those that don't want/need those "extra features" that steam offers? It's simply intrusive DRM that you have ZERO choice in the matter about.
Pretty DRM is still DRM. Intrusive and useless DRM. They can make Steam optional completely, but theres a reason they won't.

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Finally somebody that gets it wink.gif
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I honestly don't think this will ever make any ground, the console market already has 3 huge players. With the success of all three companies trying to break through now with a totally new product just sounds like a wasted effort. What games were avaliable for the Steam beta on Linux, arcdae games? Most AAA games are multi platform anyways why would it be any different with the steambox? I see people saying it could be around $500, when I can play the same game on a $300 dollar console with (most likely) better graphics or my PC. I don't understand this whole war on Windows, because people saying the just want a hassle free way of playing games has obviously not extensively used Unix/Linux or they're using Ubuntu and think they know linux. Not to mention graphic driver support is horrendous unless you have the time and know how.. for the regular user good luck.

TL:DR; The market is already saturated with gaming platforms, don't think this is going anywhere. But good luck with your steambox!
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Or get DRM free Digital Downloads and stop feeding middlemen DRM programs. Ones that can remove purchased games from your account without notification or refund. Yea, love those "services".
Not using Steam = Having to buy discs? Um... cool story bro.
Yet its closer to being as evil as I make it out to be than it is to being the savior most others think it is wink.gif
Know what I had before Steam that did everything that Steam does now for me? A folder. I had a little folder called "Games" which I then split into subfolders for genre's and favs. I owned those games, and could launch them and play them without the need for intrusive DRM like Steam. I also didn't have to worry about purchased games suddenly asking me to buy them again.
My opinions are mine. I just happen to be one of the "lucky" people who have had to deal with the really bad aspects of Steam, like having games I paid money for taken from me without notice, and having Steam deny I own the games even after providing receipts and bank/CC statements. The first time in my life I ever bought a game and wasn't allowed to play it. So yea, maybe it has more to do with people just overlooking the terrible issues because they don't have to deal with them.
But oh well, I guess I should love them for allowing me the chance to buy the same game over and over and not get to play. That itself is a game!
Personally, I consider Steam more akin to a data mining virus than I do to anything useful. Because, well, it has not done anything for me to benefit me, but has hindered me immensely.
Back OT to the Steam console. It's funny. I see Valve talking about how bad MS is and how Win8 is so "closed" and "bad for gaming" yet Valve will likely create a console thats just that, locked down and closed to Steam games and programs. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black IMO.
But only time will tell. But what are the chances they will allow Origin games to be played? I say pretty close to nothing. So yea, they can preach and moan all they like, but they are one of the more evil companies out there, and they seem to have the communities blessing.
But hey, thats just my take on things...
edit>
And for those that don't want/need those "extra features" that steam offers? It's simply intrusive DRM that you have ZERO choice in the matter about.
Pretty DRM is still DRM. Intrusive and useless DRM. They can make Steam optional completely, but theres a reason they won't.
Excellent post.
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I am just trying to figure out who would be the target market for this. Any one who even knows about Steam has a PC already that should be able to play any game on this Steam Box. I don't expect it to have much for hardware in it...and even it it is running more like a console the game will still be PC games and not optimized to run on any one hardware config. Unless they are going to getting developers to specifically make a version of the games to run on it.

Seriously...who would buy this? People who don't own a PC or a console already and are interested in gaming and can afford to start gaming? How many potential customers would that be? I guess if Valve wants to waste their money...that is their problem.
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I am just trying to figure out who would be the target market for this. Any one who even knows about Steam has a PC already that should be able to play any game on this Steam Box.
Seriously...who would buy this? People who don't own a PC or a console already and are interested in gaming and can afford to start gaming? How many potential customers would that be? I guess if Valve wants to waste their money...that is their problem.

Steam is trying to go the way of Apple. Seems like almost everyone is.
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If this is able to gain even a small fraction of the gaming market, it will be a good thing. For one, it will create competition for console maker and maybe change their old way, maybe start supporting indie developer, patch timing, more free DLC (we use to call this thing "update" and it usually is free), heck maybe even modding, or dedicated server! What I am most excited about is maybe getting more player in multiplayer game. One thing I hate about Console is they refuse to do cross platform play, multi platform playing together online. We all know such technology exist already, but they won't do it. Years ago Microsoft have tested cross platform Xbox 360 and PC. It worked, but . . . lets just say one of the platform can't play competitively. I think we can see that changed. I welcome anything that will help grow PC multiplayer population.
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If this is able to gain even a small fraction of the gaming market, it will be a good thing. For one, it will create competition for console maker and maybe change their old way, maybe start supporting indie developer, patch timing, more free DLC (we use to call this thing "update" and it usually is free), heck maybe even modding, or dedicated server! What I am most excited about is maybe getting more player in multiplayer game. One thing I hate about Console is they refuse to do cross platform play, multi platform playing together online. We all know such technology exist already, but they won't do it. Years ago Microsoft have tested cross platform Xbox 360 and PC. It worked, but . . . lets just say one of the platform can't play competitively. I think we can see that changed. I welcome anything that will help grow PC multiplayer population.

My guess is that this will compete with the Wii more than anything...especially with Gabe's take about motion controls. Plus it still is going to come down to the quality of games on it...if it still functions like a PC it will not be able to play newer games without haven't having some really good hardware in it. If it operates like a console then it will need to have games specifically made for it. Only after knowing all this will we be able to make a guess at where it will be entering the market and what it will be competing against.

Heh, and I can't see how it would ever help in the fight against DLCs...those are here to stay and will be on every platform that might ever come. My guess is that in a few years we will have to pay a monthly subscription just to get bug fixes and patches...they'll call it a "Software Service Plan" and say that they are doing it to provide better "Customer Service". I of course do not want this...I just won't be surprised if it happens.

The Microsoft thing between platforms is rather dated now...it would be interesting to see it done again. I am fairly sure what the out come will be...but it might not be as over whelming as it was back then. Almost all games are designed these days to be played with a controller...even most the few PC exclusives. The game tested many years ago had GUI designed around a mouse and keyboard or at least worked well with them. Plus if the Steam Box has these motion controls and implements them well it could be a game changer...Gabe's words were something along the lines of, "Touch controls are dated and a thing of the past. Motion controls are the future." Well, mouse and keyboard are definitely touch controls. If games are going to become more optimized for motion controls we "sword and board" gamers could go the way of the dodo...not overnight mind you...it would definitely take a few years at least. Just something that people should probably have on their minds.
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Finally somebody that gets it wink.gif

 

 

It is mostly the older people who get it^.. We didn't grow up on steam. In an environment that is predicated on throw-away games, etc.

 

Steam is cheap stuff... little kids & adolecent adults are cheap.. it a perfect marriage because these peeps don't care about DRM, etc.. they have never owned anything to begine with. People who use steam, just don't care.. they are blase, due to constant marketing & incessant need to have right now.(ie: lack of patience).

 

Once locked-in.. it doesn't matter how old, or educated they get.. they are unable to walk away from Steam due to their collective meager investments.

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