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this is an instant fail. the general public (not ocn) barely understands computers. Linux/Steam as a console. lol.
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It's not our fault the general public don't bother to think or do research... But hey, more power to Valve if they can break the stagnation that has set in from M$ and Sony dragging the console cycle beyond the usual 5-year refresh.

And remember, we're on a tech-savvy forum, we do not represent the general populace.
     
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the point of this is so they don't have to understand computers. I'm guessing it's going to be set hardware, with only specific upgrade routes. Probably 3 "box" variants for low/medium/high quality settings. Those might transfer, so when the next "gen" comes out, medium can become low. Go grab yourself a high rated steambox and keep it for a while and get a new one [next gen]. The beauty in this is you as a consumer can be dumb as rox, or you can be smart and get upgrades and keep with the times. As long as they keep to set hardware, I don't see this being a problem. unfortunately it's going to end up with, more than likely, one hardware vendor for each set of parts, cpu/gpu/ram though I think ram would end up just a recommendation.

To those who hate Steam, then don't post in this thread. It's obvious one of you had an accounting error but apparently accounting errors are the same as DRM. Oh well, I for one thing this could be a monumental idea which would find us a very happy medium for console and PC. This would let developers release to PC with a lot less effort.
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this is an instant fail. the general public (not ocn) barely understands computers. Linux/Steam as a console. lol.

Not really. It would be far better to have a linux based "Console" than anything else. it can be optimized specifically for the hardware its going to be running on. this would male the entire system pretty dang fast. if they manage to pull this off then more power to them, plus like someone said this is probably going to target the masses and we here should not be considered part of that group because we typically know more about the hardware aspect and everything else than the average consumer.
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Not really. It would be far better to have a linux based "Console" than anything else. it can be optimized specifically for the hardware its going to be running on. this would male the entire system pretty dang fast. if they manage to pull this off then more power to them, plus like someone said this is probably going to target the masses and we here should not be considered part of that group because we typically know more about the hardware aspect and everything else than the average consumer.

as many have stated above it is super difficult to crack the console market. many have tried with superior hardware and games and just couldn't make a dent. so a Linux based steam powered console comes along and you think that it will be understood and provide competition to Sony and Microsoft. u have some of that good weed......
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as many have stated above it is super difficult to crack the console market. many have tried with superior hardware and games and just couldn't make a dent. so a Linux based steam powered console comes along and you think that it will be understood and provide competition to Sony and Microsoft. u have some of that good weed......

Not sure why you keep mentioning Linux, most consoles right now aren't far away from *nix. The general user would never know as they don't know with every console so far. Understanding Steam Big Picture isn't anymore difficult than understanding Windows Media Center, Playstation XMB, XBox Dashboard or any other GUI system out there. The underlying operating system has little to nothing to do with anything for the majority of users unless they intend to root/crack or whatever the new term will be for Steam Box's.

Regardless of how well or not Steam on Linux is doing atm, means little to nothing for this box. As that won't be too much of a problem once they get some ideas on it and get publishers more interested to release titles for a new console ( aka Steam on Linux ), 2 birds 1 stone.

So as far as understanding, there is no argument. Right now, as it is, you can sit anyone in front of Steam Big Picture and they'll find their way around in no time.
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Don't a lot cable boxes and DVRs use *nix?
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Don't a lot cable boxes and DVRs use *nix?

Quite a bit of devices use some form of it or another.

With specific hardware, drivers become no problem as the average user will never touch them, especially on devices such as STB's, DVR's, etc. Slap on a user friendly UI and no one would ever know the difference.
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Guys... They're not targeting the ones that knows PC hardware already, they're going for the console gamers, those who knows consoles only and nothing else.

And it is NOT a full-blooded console, it's a PC in a box with customized Linux on it. It's still a PC through and through, they had to market this just right, like, STEAM SALES! STEAM WORKSHOP MODS! See where I'm going with this?

THIS.
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People need to realize something: This console is 99% most likely to be running a linux distro, which means there is ZERO chance of 99% game currently found in the Steam library to actually work.

There is no, "I'll be able to play all my Steam games from my couch"...there is "I will be able to play games made for the Steam Box from my couch."

In other words, it's a console. This argument that "Uh, it's not a console! It's a PC" needs to end now.

I think it'll be compatible with any Linux compatible big picture titles..and that Valve will be paying developers at the start to port games to Linux/it because it kills two birds with one stone, it means that Steam for Linux has a decent library and that the Steam Box has a decent library too.
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This argument that "Uh, it's not a console! It's a PC" needs to end now.

And until everything is finished, so does your argument. Everything is speculation until proven otherwise.

Definitely, however the people who think that this will make all PC games simply be made for the Steam box are fooling themselves...It takes one developer to make a proper PC game and they'll have all 5 million daily Steam users looking at it and maybe buying it, it's not something developers would give up. (And despite what they say about piracy, DRM is actually about second hand game sales..PC is a decent revenue source still)
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"Controlled environment" = Set hardware/OS standard for Valve to base off its Linux venture.
But yeah, right now it's all a guessing game until Valve says something.

That is the #1 trait of a gaming console, yet people keep saying it's not a console....stop contradicting yourselves and accept the fact that VALVe is jumping ship.

It's both. It's a PC but locked down to be like a console, however I imagine locked down could also mean that your average user isn't going to somehow get into the root account and accidentally run rm -rf / while someone who is fairly well versed in Linux could take off whatever distro they have and put Arch or Gentoo on it instead if they wanted.
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DO NOT WANT.

Steam, and all other forms of intrusive, unneeded DRM should not be drooled over or wanted, it should be burned with fire. I'm one of those people that can't see much of a difference between say, Valve, and say, Ubi. At least Ubi releases games (joke drum tune).

I should prolly clarify this for those rabid Steam fans, but I won't. Steam is just terribad and not needed. Burn it with fire like all other bloatware and spyware, which is what it is essentially.

While I'd prefer to not have any DRM, publishers want to curb any and all second hand game sales and quite honestly..who would you rather managing the DRM in your game? EA or Valve? Ubisoft or Valve? Valve is the only company that is yet to really screw over PC gamers repeatedly, and Steam was the only DRM with benefits for consumers for a long time.
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this is an instant fail. the general public (not ocn) barely understands computers. Linux/Steam as a console. lol.

By that logic Android or iOS shouldn't be popular at all, considering Android is modified Linux and iOS comes from OS X which comes from BSD among other things.
    
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GabeN, M$ & API's aside; I look forward to crushing your soul in your favorite game on Steambox, in the near future!
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