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You know, if something like GOG.com was as popular as Steam we might actually have a fighting chance at a DRM free future.

No, you wouldn't. If there was no Steam, publishers would make their own. Much like a few companies do already. And I much prefer Steams business than I do the others, which are much more infamous for just stupid stuff.

You're forgetting that Steam started this trend, without the success of Steam we'd still be buying box copies at retail.
The situation we're in is that the first person to be successful at a new distribution model makes the guidelines that everyone else follows, had that included "DRM free" then everyone else would be doing the same.
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I'm not sure Steam was the first, it was the first successful digital distribution for games. Personally I haven't seen Valve do anything with Steam that should make anyone worry. For the most part, if a dev company doesn't want their DRM they only incorporate it enough so that you require Steam running (online/offline) for the game to play. Unless the developer uses VAC, then it gets more intrusive. Honestly though, I think VAC is fine. It's worked on all Valve games wonderfully and I've never had a major issue with it. Even better is the fact that they haven't banned linux users for cheating. They work really hard to target hacks only and usually catch them pretty quick.
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I'm not sure Steam was the first, it was the first successful digital distribution for games.

This. It wasn't the first, but it was the first to get as big as it is.

That said, DRM isn't going anywhere as long as piracy is around and on the rise. Companies want to protect their IP, and unfortunately that comes in the form of semi-intrusive digital distribution services.

Although I have no complaints about Steam. I do have complaints about others though.
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I don't see anyone buying this.

This seems like it could be a neat idea and all... but I was kind of thinking that, well, a lot of people who are really into PC Gaming and Steam and the such are probably the kind people who are just gonna want to build or at least set up their own system to their TV. Am I way off in saying that? There aren't a ton of details yet on this Steam Box thing yet, so maybe it will appeal to a larger crowd, depending on exactly what it is and how it works (and how much it costs).
    
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This seems like it could be a neat idea and all... but I was kind of thinking that, well, a lot of people who are really into PC Gaming and Steam and the such are probably the kind people who are just gonna want to build or at least set up their own system to their TV. Am I way off in saying that? There aren't a ton of details yet on this Steam Box thing yet, so maybe it will appeal to a larger crowd, depending on exactly what it is and how it works (and how much it costs).

You're thinking the wrong group then. Not everyone who uses Steam are hardcore enthusiasts that build their own systems, or buy 'gaming' rigs * cough* alienware *cough*. There is a lot of average users of Steam who are using every day OEM computers and have no idea they can hook it up to a TV.
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This will be very nice, buy the game once, play on TV or on your PC. Opens possibilities for local multiplayer with friends. Also it could just download straight from your computer the files that it needs if possible (though thinking this might be unlikely unless the game is setup in a way where the assets are in one place and the then it could download the presumably linux files for execution etc). Hope they don't go the OnLive route or anything like that, I would end up passing it over. Also hoping that it has great features in terms of being able to stream video and such because xbox 360 and ps3 seem to have abysmal decoding for some files that end up having to be trans-coded. They could also implement support for any controller out there and say use what you want, if its usb and can be mapped, go wild. Use the xbox 360 controller (imo the best console controller out there). This is if they decide to implement this as a computer that runs on the TV and microsoft doesn't come after them. Not sure how that would go down and hopefully Microsoft has no legal standing since using their controllers on a PC is one of the main things that was thought of.
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This. It wasn't the first, but it was the first to get as big as it is.
That said, DRM isn't going anywhere as long as piracy is around and on the rise. Companies want to protect their IP, and unfortunately that comes in the form of semi-intrusive digital distribution services.
Although I have no complaints about Steam. I do have complaints about others though.

I don't think DRM will ever leave with digital distribution. You really can't release a digital version of a game and expect people to not pirate it. With the invention of the torrent, it becomes less of a no-brainer. Without the DRM, what stops me from sharing my entire game library? I expect you to know this, just expanding on the fact that piracy and DRM are related. People will always take the easiest route, point and click torrents are pretty easy.

Also, like I said, it's not like Valve pushes their intrusive side of DRM. They just make sure it's their to ensure accounts don't play games for free, would be a very poor design if I could just take the downloaded files from a friend and pop them in my Steam folder. Create a custom link to the .exe and the game thinks steam is running due to me being signed in. Very poor, so they have to do something. It's the basics for any account management and a service, you need to know the people who are running X services on their account are doing so legitimately. If they didn't do that, what's the point of even paying for the service when it is free? None.
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This will be very nice, buy the game once, play on TV or on your PC. Opens possibilities for local multiplayer with friends. Also it could just download straight from your computer the files that it needs if possible (though thinking this might be unlikely unless the game is setup in a way where the assets are in one place and the then it could download the presumably linux files for execution etc). Hope they don't go the OnLive route or anything like that, I would end up passing it over. Also hoping that it has great features in terms of being able to stream video and such because xbox 360 and ps3 seem to have abysmal decoding for some files that end up having to be trans-coded. They could also implement support for any controller out there and say use what you want, if its usb and can be mapped, go wild. Use the xbox 360 controller (imo the best console controller out there). This is if they decide to implement this as a computer that runs on the TV and microsoft doesn't come after them. Not sure how that would go down and hopefully Microsoft has no legal standing since using their controllers on a PC is one of the main things that was thought of.

Linux as a core is more flexible than anything I know. The only problem is Flash isn't going to be officially supported, unless through Chrome. Now I don't see why they wouldn't let you install Chrome, it should be able to run as long as the libs are going. If they do go the embedded route, it wouldn't be that much different than what people already do for Android. Just hack up a rom image to include the proper libs to run Chrome, bam you are done. As for other video files, same concept. If it's not embedded, find a way to get root and install. if it is, hack up a rom.
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This seems like it could be a neat idea and all... but I was kind of thinking that, well, a lot of people who are really into PC Gaming and Steam and the such are probably the kind people who are just gonna want to build or at least set up their own system to their TV. Am I way off in saying that? There aren't a ton of details yet on this Steam Box thing yet, so maybe it will appeal to a larger crowd, depending on exactly what it is and how it works (and how much it costs).

Valve will have to market the crap out of steam box if they want this thing competing with the Xbox and ps3. Even if they do waste a ton of money marketing it, the majority of the people won't know what the hell it is and not to say that the majority of the people already have 2+ consoles at home.
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Valve will have to market the crap out of steam box if they want this thing competing with the Xbox and ps3. Even if they do waste a ton of money marketing it, the majority of the people won't know what the hell it is and not to say that the majority of the people already have 2+ consoles at home.

All they need is the Steam crowd to originally support it. Anything after that is just bonus revenue.
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You're thinking the wrong group then. Not everyone who uses Steam are hardcore enthusiasts that build their own systems, or buy 'gaming' rigs * cough* alienware *cough*. There is a lot of average users of Steam who are using every day OEM computers and have no idea they can hook it up to a TV.

Yeah... on second thought. I think you're right.
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Valve will have to market the crap out of steam box if they want this thing competing with the Xbox and ps3. Even if they do waste a ton of money marketing it, the majority of the people won't know what the hell it is and not to say that the majority of the people already have 2+ consoles at home.

Yeah, good point. This will probably be geared towards exactly the kind of people who aren't into building their own systems.

In any case, if this Steam Box becomes responsible for spreading "PC" games to a larger market and bringing money towards their development - good! smile.gif
    
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