Originally Posted by 98uk
Just to clarify, they aren't your games. You have no legal ownership unless it arrived on physical media. You license software. Just wanted to clear that up
Secondly, concepts may be beyond you... but unfortunately, computer games have many stakeholders, the customer being only one part of a larger picture. When a game is created, it's not created solely for the customer, thus, the concept that all areas of design should be user driven is simply unrealistic and somewhat naive. Now, you can view that on the other side, games aren't created solely for investors... they are but a piece in a larger puzzle. As such, compromise has to be expected from all parties... investors have to accept that they cannot simply stick in a ton of DRM and expect consumers to be happy... but at the same time, the customer cannot expect a piece of software that is free of any kind of marketing tools, basic DRM etc...
Life is full of compromise and in my opinion, Steam is a great compromise. I guess it'd be nice to launch games without Steam, but... it's something we have to put up with. It's all about balance and realistic expectation. Your views hit me as somewhat utopian and unrealistic.
Well, there are many publishers that are DRM free. I played games for 15 years on PC without the need of an intrusive launcher program. Sure, people are free to make their own choice in either supporting or boycotting, thats their right. I'm not trying to argue anyones opinion, I mainly take offense when people get angry when you don't agree and like everything they like. I seem to be getting called on my opinions of something, everyone can post their opinions, I'm not posting blind hate. What I would like to see is more people actually become aware of just how bad things are getting with DRM and such and actually take that into account. People can make changes if they vote with their wallets. But thats up to them.
And about the game, even if you buy it on disk you don't own the game itself if you want to get so technical about things. It was quite obvious what I was talking about...
Originally Posted by Psyren
Or how about you stop coming off as a pretentious hipster, and just stop trying to preach about YOUR blind hatred towards Steam.
Besides having a huge Steam library, I have a solid DRM-free GOG and GamersGate library, not to mention a cupboard fill of games on disc, and games I've bought directly from dev websites... Same thing applies to my Xbox.
I'm hardly strapped down or trapped in your one-dimensional "all-or-nothing" bubble of joy. Again, I understand why ppl hate on Steam, but your incessant whining about how Steam is robbing you of your entitlement just makes you look like an OWS-style sheepie.
I like having DRM-free stuff as much as the next oldie, but you cannot deny that the advantages of having Steam far outweighs the tiny inconvenience of logging in for the most part.
I'm a pretentious hipster because I do not like what you like? Geez, I have to blindly allow DRM just because you want me to I guess, then I'm just a normal person... Yea... Good point, you come across as very mature. I simply stated my case for why I feel forced DRM is bad, your response "wahhhhhhh". Glad you joined the debate.
I'm glad you own a bunch of games, good for you
I'm not whining about anything either, I'm stating my position on Intrusive DRM with valid points for my concerns. Your taking this in a very immature direction just because someone has a differing opinion. Did I call people stupid children who don't know better because they support Steam? No. I simply say that I wish I wasn't forced to have such intrusive DRM to play games that really have nothing to do with the "service". And Steam isn't robbing me of my "entitlement" they quite literally robbed me of paid games. OWS also has nothing to do with this in any way, and I can't believe your calling such organized protesters "sheep". It is hardly the path of a sheep
And last statement. I'm glad you enjoy Steam, and its benefits you, thats absolutely great. (Seriously, no sarcasm) If it does something that helps people, thats fine, but my personal opinion is that it shouldn't be forced on everyone. It doesn't benefit me, I have no use for it, it simply takes up HDD space and system resources that I would rather have free.
I fail to see why I'm not entitled to my own personal opinion if its against something you people like. Sad your so infatuated with your DRM that you must childishly attack others who voice opposition.
Edit> Plus, on a board such as OCN, I don't think I have to state that we all pretty much know that DRM almost never stops or even slows piracy, but it can very often hurt legitimate customers. Why such a backwards, flawed, and failed system must be required
doesn't stand up to logic. I almost want to post that pic of the DRM vs Piracy with DVD's pic. So classic, and so true.Edited by Fuell - 12/13/12 at 6:00am