TC Change i7-1 Category - Page 2

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Originally Posted by WonderMutt 

OK, so after checking with my team, the general consensus is to allow them, however, elchucko (our i7-1 folder) and I are having a discussion about this and I will have an answer by tonight (hopefully). As this would be effecting him more directly than the rest of us, I really want to hear what he has to say and weigh that against the rest of the team's opinions and my own before I cast a vote.
Also, I looked at albertsjj37's numbers and his daily PPD average looks to be 32,432 (when looking at the first 13 days of this month), so that doesn't seem out of line with the current i7-1 folders, but what bothers me is the amount of fluctuation in his numbers. It looks as if he is not currently folding 20+/7 now and my fear is that we give this a green light, he (and other SB-E folders) start doing a full 20+/7 folding and make our current SB/IB folders obsolete.
This would make for a major issue because there are far fewer SB-E folders than SB/IB folders and if the SB/IB guys start dropping out because they can’t compete, it will be impossible for us to find SB-E replacements. Let’s face it, there just aren’t a lot of people out there that will drop $500+ on a CPU.
My personal feeling is that this is just trying to be a lazy way to solve a short term issue. Sure, we could fill our i7-1 slots, but that could be done with a good recruiting effort. It just seems to me that if we start allowing SB-E and later IB-E chips into the TC, it will make it much harder to have teams that are competitive, as the teams with the SB-E guys would have a distinct advantage.
Now, I could be all wrong and albertsjj37 could be folding 20+/7 and just getting WUs that are all over the place and they could end up being right in line, but honestly, I would want to see more hard numbers before we make a decision that could have such an enormous impact on the TC.
Either way, you will hear something from me by tomorrow at the latest and I’ll have my vote cast by thSo we will

Originally Posted by Donkey1514 

So your idea/plan is to never move beyond SB/IB?

Originally Posted by WonderMutt 


That's not what I'm saying at all, but I feel that if the TC is going to move on from SB/IB (or any major change in any Cat), we need to make sure what we are moving to is popular enough to justify making the move.
Six SB-E folders (all but one of whom are not currently folding a steady 20+/7) is not enough to justify adding them to the TC. Also, we can't look at SB-E as "oh, it is just the new version of the SB/IB chips." These are server grade chips that cost nearly double (or more) what the SB/IB chips cost, so any belief that these will become as popular / prevalent as the SB/IB i7s is preposterous.
Personally, it just feels to me that instead of going out and trying to recruit new SB/IB i7 folders, we're trying to take the easy way out and just fill the slots with SB-E guys when doing so could have a huge impact on the TC. Or it may have no impact, but we don't know either way, we don't have enough data to make that conclusion.
Really, my big issue is with making this change and not knowing what the impact could be because we don’t have proper numbers on it. From the looks of it, we can only get numbers from one folder, albertsjj37, as the others are too inconsistent to pull any real data from. So based off the numbers of one folder, we are going to make a major change to the TC? I just think we need more data on it before we go to allowing this.
I'm all for moving the TC forward, but I’m against doing so without proper justification. In the past, even when IB hit, we collected data, saw how it compared to SB, then made had the vote. And that was just moving in a logical progression, SB to SB/IB. This is potentially much bigger because the SB-E chips are not just a logical progression of a chip series, but are on a different plane, vastly different price point, and quite possibly on a whole different PPD scale.
I want to see the TC move forward, but not in such a way that it could hurt the TC’s spirit. We’re here to have what should be a fair competition, may the best team with the best OCs on the same/similar hardware win. SB-E is not similar hardware to SB/IB. That’s all I’m saying.

Originally Posted by anubis1127 

Did I forget to mention that animal's opinions don't count?  I thought BWG had made that clear in the past.