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Okay, either you are trolling, or you are seriously love insulting people for agreeing with you for the most part.
I have many games that I have that were made before I was able to speak. I know what they are like.
Did you know the value of the dollar has been dropping steadily for the past two decades as well? Yeah, so that "moneys worth" is more expensive than you think. I can also list games that do not have proper expansions and overprice their DLC/addons/expansions. I can tell you BF3 is not one of them. I can tell you a good chunk of Capcom games are culprits.
You know Fallout 3&NV? And Skyrim? Are you going to put them into your list? Because they have DLC that is priced by a good amount. NV has an Ultimate Edition which is nice, but so does BF3...

Hey now, my Skyrim DLC was only $7 on sale tongue.gif WELL worth the $ imho. biggrin.gif

That's the problem with most DLC anymore though... charging 10-15 for them when it should be free-$5 tops. Now, a DLC that is practically an expansion in itself it another story. Dawnguard would be worth $10 for what it offers. I think that $10-15 is fair for the BF3 dlc really, but still aren't terribly impressed with them. Maybe $7 like some of the CoD was in the past i believe... may have just been a map pack though. I don't remember since i haven't played CoD in a long time.
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Okay, either you are trolling, or you are seriously love insulting people for agreeing with you for the most part.
I have many games that I have that were made before I was able to speak. I know what they are like.
Did you know the value of the dollar has been dropping steadily for the past two decades as well? Yeah, so that "moneys worth" is more expensive than you think. I can also list games that do not have proper expansions and overprice their DLC/addons/expansions. I can tell you BF3 is not one of them. I can tell you a good chunk of Capcom games are culprits.
You know Fallout 3&NV? And Skyrim? Are you going to put them into your list? Because they have DLC that is priced by a good amount. NV has an Ultimate Edition which is nice, but so does BF3...

Hey now, my Skyrim DLC was only $7 on sale tongue.gif WELL worth the $ imho. biggrin.gif

That's the problem with most DLC anymore though... charging 10-15 for them when it should be free-$5 tops. Now, a DLC that is practically an expansion in itself it another story. Dawnguard would be worth $10 for what it offers. I think that $10-15 is fair for the BF3 dlc really, but still aren't terribly impressed with them. Maybe $7 like some of the CoD was in the past i believe... may have just been a map pack though. I don't remember since i haven't played CoD in a long time.

Nice on the Skyrim DLC deal! And yes, I agree with your price points. Most games have incorporated those prices by the way. tongue.gif
Call of Duty DLC are just maps, yes.
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I remember the first instance on BF2 where i experienced team work.

i joined a squad and spawned on a tank and was kicked out of the squad for staying in the tank and not allowing squad mates to spawn on the tank. i didn't realized what i did back then. i found out later that most of the scoreboards nearly always had medics or support on top place. you can always count on getting topped off on ammo and being revived more or less half of the time. there were also a few squads of specialists who would drive to the enemy base to blow up assets.

im just not seeing this on BF3 on most servers i join. squad leaders would just do willy nilly and run around the map shooting people for kills. it is now a given expectation to find squadmates hundreds of meters apart from each other playing recon hoping to score as much kills as possible. squad mates will not follow your orders and do whatever they please. you cannot rely on being revived even if there is 10 friendlies around the flag you died at. i ran into a few instances where i was calling out for ammo in front of support classes and they wouldn't throw down ammo unless you shot them in the face and they had to remember what they were supposed to do.

BF3 is just a massive battle of mindless hordes. its just extremely disorganized. BC2 wasn't even this bad when it came to team work.
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I remember the first instance on BF2 where i experienced team work.

i joined a squad and spawned on a tank and was kicked out of the squad for staying in the tank and not allowing squad mates to spawn on the tank. i didn't realized what i did back then. i found out later that most of the scoreboards nearly always had medics or support on top place. you can always count on getting topped off on ammo and being revived more or less half of the time. there were also a few squads of specialists who would drive to the enemy base to blow up assets.

im just not seeing this on BF3 on most servers i join. squad leaders would just do willy nilly and run around the map shooting people for kills. it is now a given expectation to find squadmates hundreds of meters apart from each other playing recon hoping to score as much kills as possible. squad mates will not follow your orders and do whatever they please. you cannot rely on being revived even if there is 10 friendlies around the flag you died at. i ran into a few instances where i was calling out for ammo in front of support classes and they wouldn't throw down ammo unless you shot them in the face and they had to remember what they were supposed to do.

BF3 is just a massive battle of mindless hordes. its just extremely disorganized. BC2 wasn't even this bad when it came to team work.

What you described what you saw in BF2 is what I see in BF2 and BF3.
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BF2 was never on consoles. I am 18, I got BF1942 in 2003 and played the hell out of it. I got BF2 near release. I got BFVietnam with the BF1942 Complete collection and played more of BFVietnam than any other game. I got BF3 a few days ago and it is fantastic. I borrowed BC1&2, played the MP of both, it was decent, reminded me of CODMW.
DLC, regardless of mine and your beliefs are expansions for games. COD is a decent series. I prefer TreyArch's ones though.
128 player servers are not the good servers? Your opinions are funny.

Wut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_2:_Modern_Combat

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Really? Battlelog is actually pretty great. Awesome stats pages and an easy to use server browser. I've never understood this complaint at all. I understand that people were apprehensive before launch but it turned out to actually be a good thing.
And the origin integration really wasn't a big thing either. In fact you pretty much don't have to mess with origin at all unless you are downloading patches.

Start BL, server start...server froze, task manager to stop bf3 exe, no longer able to enter any server, restar origin, pray that server do not froze...repeat

thats my history with BF3
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BF2 was never on consoles. I am 18, I got BF1942 in 2003 and played the hell out of it. I got BF2 near release. I got BFVietnam with the BF1942 Complete collection and played more of BFVietnam than any other game. I got BF3 a few days ago and it is fantastic. I borrowed BC1&2, played the MP of both, it was decent, reminded me of CODMW.
DLC, regardless of mine and your beliefs are expansions for games. COD is a decent series. I prefer TreyArch's ones though.
128 player servers are not the good servers? Your opinions are funny.

Wut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_2:_Modern_Combat


Thank you for proving my point again... This debate was already done.
BF2MC is not BF2. The intentions may have been so it was, but it wasn't.
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Really? Battlelog is actually pretty great. Awesome stats pages and an easy to use server browser. I've never understood this complaint at all. I understand that people were apprehensive before launch but it turned out to actually be a good thing.
And the origin integration really wasn't a big thing either. In fact you pretty much don't have to mess with origin at all unless you are downloading patches.

Start BL, server start...server froze, task manager to stop bf3 exe, no longer able to enter any server, restar origin, pray that server do not froze...repeat

thats my history with BF3

Yep, glad I got the PS3 version.
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Honestly.. it seems like you have things backwards, but whatever.. They're your opinions so I won't tell you that they're wrong.
*edit and not directed at Snake* Whether or not someone knows the value of a dollar is extremely irrelevant and doesn't belong in this thread. Worth is extremely subjective. Some people can feel DLC is too expensive because they wouldn't get the time invested in it that other might be able to. For myself, $15 for a DLC I will get 50+ hours out of is extremely worth it. However, for someone who doesn't enjoy the game all that much or will only play it for a few hours and then never play it again, it probably isn't going to be worth it to them.

How is it backwards? Instead of me listing and comparing the two games I'll just say this:

The amount of fun I had playing BC2 compared to BF3 is night and day.

There were some fun moments in BF3 but the crashing, battlelog, poorly executed game mechanics and so on left a very sour taste in my mouth.

BC2 to me is a more fun and better thought-out war game. It's that simple.
    
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Here's an example of what you got for $20 for BF2:
Here is what you get for $15 for some DLC with BF3:
Here is what you got for $10 for the booster pack for BF2 (Euro Force):
One is an expansion, one is overpriced DLC. People are getting much less than they used to for their money. Keep in mind that DLC I mentioned for BF3 was Karkand, you got a lot less with the others.
Wasn't Special Forces $30? We've already had this discussion before and honestly, compared to the booster packs, the price for the BF3 packs is about right.
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I remember the first instance on BF2 where i experienced team work.
i joined a squad and spawned on a tank and was kicked out of the squad for staying in the tank and not allowing squad mates to spawn on the tank. i didn't realized what i did back then. i found out later that most of the scoreboards nearly always had medics or support on top place. you can always count on getting topped off on ammo and being revived more or less half of the time. there were also a few squads of specialists who would drive to the enemy base to blow up assets.
im just not seeing this on BF3 on most servers i join. squad leaders would just do willy nilly and run around the map shooting people for kills. it is now a given expectation to find squadmates hundreds of meters apart from each other playing recon hoping to score as much kills as possible. squad mates will not follow your orders and do whatever they please. you cannot rely on being revived even if there is 10 friendlies around the flag you died at. i ran into a few instances where i was calling out for ammo in front of support classes and they wouldn't throw down ammo unless you shot them in the face and they had to remember what they were supposed to do.
BF3 is just a massive battle of mindless hordes. its just extremely disorganized. BC2 wasn't even this bad when it came to team work.

Teamwork for every Battlefield game has been iffy. You've always had people who ignored your requests and camped vehicles and junk like that. I've always had to find specific servers and become a regular in order to find people who actually work together. Teamwork just isn't a given when you're playing with a bunch of random people, even if there are tools provided. That's just how it is in Battlefield games..

You people really need to stop being blinded by nostalgia.
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How is it backwards? Instead of me listing and comparing the two games I'll just say this:
The amount of fun I had playing BC2 compared to BF3 is night and day.
There were some fun moments in BF3 but the crashing, battlelog, poorly executed game mechanics and so on left a very sour taste in my mouth.
BC2 to me is a more fun and better thought-out war game. It's that simple.

If you had more fun with one than the other, that's fine. I find them all very enjoyable games. It's just your complaints about stability, hit detection, and mechanics seem backwards, because BC2 was worse in all those aspects.
Edited by moocowman - 12/12/12 at 3:52pm
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Start BL, server start...server froze, task manager to stop bf3 exe, no longer able to enter any server, restar origin, pray that server do not froze...repeat
thats my history with BF3

I have 300 hours in BF3 and I've never had that happen to me.

In fact I'm pretty sure you are in the minority on that one.
    
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