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Yes, but instead of taking double the space when moving to 4, those 4 lanes only take up the space of 1~ lane
While this is a great advancement and will end up creating CPUs far faster and with more bandwidth than are currently capable, I see optical based processors as a short lived invention. When these come out, probably sometime around 2020, it will only be another 5-10 years probably before we begin the quantum computing age and the performance of these optical CPUs is left in the dust

Any reason why we can't have optical quantum computers?
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Thinking about this, if they develop gates that can simultaneously handle multiple light signals, you could potentially have a CPU that can have multiple instances of the same pipeline. Like an AND gate that emits, say, a ray of 475nm light, if two rays of 475nm light enter, while simultaneously doing the same thing but with a different spectrum of light. This is important because of two reasons:
1.
Currently, a pipeline, a complex network of gates controlled by a clock, can only handle 1 input signal at a time. This is because you can only have one electrical signal on any given electronic circuit. With optical processors, you would be able to put multiple inputs on a pipeline, and reliably get multiple outputs.
2.
Optical CPUs would lend themselves very well to an asynchronous circuit design. Currently, electrical gates have a problem called propagation delay, which is the length of time between the input voltage(s) becoming stable and the output voltage(s) becoming stable. The circuit clock is always set to accommodate the longest chain of logic gates. This is nice, but often input doesn't follow the longest chain of logic gates, essentially leaving the circuit idle, while it waits for the clock to open the flip-flop to store the output.
With an optical circuit, there would be multiple propagation delays corresponding to multiple wavelengths. If they could somehow make the inputs oscillate between different wavelengths, the gates could handle another wavelength of signal before the prior wavelength of signal stabilizes. If the time to cycle through all the available wavelengths is more than the propagation delay of all the gates in the longest chain of logic added, you would eliminate the need to control the gates and flip-flops with a clock.
That said, there would be clock to cycle through the wavelengths, so I guess it's still not technically "asynchronous".

Don't forget that means we can have 3D CPUs as well. Optical "wires" can be overlap and cross.
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Any reason why we can't have optical quantum computers?
Quantum computer with optical interconnects?
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but would this type of computing be more sensitive to heat than a traditional one.
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I feel a very serious issue with optical interconnects is the problem of connections on either end "drying up"

I work with a very basic thin fibre optic wire which connects to an Arcnet card. After a few years, sometimes sooner the end of the wire starts causing errors. When you cut the end of the fibre it is very "crisp" and breaks off easily.

After that the new end works great. What will happen when the connection ends of the CPU-ram interconnect suffers from this?

I suppose copper based connects suffer other issues such as degradation as well but has fibre made any advancment in this issue?

I am surprised that FIOS from Verizon hasn't had too many complaints. I'm keeping an eye on mine.
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Don't forget that means we can have 3D CPUs as well. Optical "wires" can be overlap and cross.
Quantum computer with optical interconnects?

Why the hell not? tongue.gif
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While this is a great advancement and will end up creating CPUs far faster and with more bandwidth than are currently capable, I see optical based processors as a short lived invention. When these come out, probably sometime around 2020, it will only be another 5-10 years probably before we begin the quantum computing age and the performance of these optical CPUs is left in the dust

Think of it this way: For every "great" step forward in technology there is always that "red headed step child" that came a couple years earlier only to be swept under the rug and forgotten.
Anyone here have any LaserDiscs that they watch? smile.gif
How about some miniDiscs? Doesn't apply if you're in the music business.
Hell; anyone here have a Sony Digital Camera that worked with the tiny optical discs? Or maybe the HDDCameras of yonder?
It's all an evolutionary process. They have to give birth to the red headed step child in order to realize what they did wrong and fix it for the true "heir to the throne". smile.gif


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Don't forget that means we can have 3D CPUs as well. Optical "wires" can be overlap and cross.
Quantum computer with optical interconnects?

My question to you is: Why would we need optical if we have Quantum? I know physics tells us that nothing can move faster than the old friend "C". But since the thing we like about quantum particles is that they can both "be" and "not be" at the same time, or "be in two places at once", or "be ON and OFF" at the same time... Wouldn't that be much faster than even "C"? I mean; even when moving at 670K mph; a photon would still take a small portion of time to move from A to B... Whereas a quantum particle would be at A and B from the get go.
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Think of it this way: For every "great" step forward in technology there is always that "red headed step child" that came a couple years earlier only to be swept under the rug and forgotten.
Anyone here have any LaserDiscs that they watch? smile.gif
How about some miniDiscs? Doesn't apply if you're in the music business.
Hell; anyone here have a Sony Digital Camera that worked with the tiny optical discs? Or maybe the HDDCameras of yonder?
It's all an evolutionary process. They have to give birth to the red headed step child in order to realize what they did wrong and fix it for the true "heir to the throne". smile.gif
My question to you is: Why would we need optical if we have Quantum? I know physics tells us that nothing can move faster than the old friend "C". But since the thing we like about quantum particles is that they can both "be" and "not be" at the same time, or "be in two places at once", or "be ON and OFF" at the same time... Wouldn't that be much faster than even "C"? I mean; even when moving at 670K mph; a photon would still take a small portion of time to move from A to B... Whereas a quantum particle would be at A and B from the get go.

That's 670 x 10^6 mph....

Given that these solutions are a decade away from Government budgets, "we" aren't likely to be allowed such power in the near future.

IMHO

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Think of it this way: For every "great" step forward in technology there is always that "red headed step child" that came a couple years earlier only to be swept under the rug and forgotten.
Anyone here have any LaserDiscs that they watch? smile.gif
How about some miniDiscs? Doesn't apply if you're in the music business.
Hell; anyone here have a Sony Digital Camera that worked with the tiny optical discs? Or maybe the HDDCameras of yonder?
It's all an evolutionary process. They have to give birth to the red headed step child in order to realize what they did wrong and fix it for the true "heir to the throne". smile.gif
My question to you is: Why would we need optical if we have Quantum? I know physics tells us that nothing can move faster than the old friend "C". But since the thing we like about quantum particles is that they can both "be" and "not be" at the same time, or "be in two places at once", or "be ON and OFF" at the same time... Wouldn't that be much faster than even "C"? I mean; even when moving at 670K mph; a photon would still take a small portion of time to move from A to B... Whereas a quantum particle would be at A and B from the get go.

It's not about speed of the signal, so much as being able to have gates that can simultaneously handle different signals. A gate that uses electricity can only handle one signal at a time. With an optical gate, I can input multiple wavelengths and get accurate outputs that correspond to the input wavelength.

Here's a poorly drawn MSPaint example. In both circuits, I simultaneously input 3 (0011) and 6 (0110). The left circuit uses electrical signals, which means the two inputs collide and the resulting input is 7 (0111). On the output, since only one electrical signal can occupy the line, output B is erroneously made false. The right circuit uses optical signals, and since multiple wavelengths can occupy a fiber-line simultaneously, and the gates can apply logic to two (or more) different input wavelengths simultaneously, and output accordingly, I can run two signals through the same circuit without any interference between the two different inputs or outputs.

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IBM is getting back into it yay! have not heard fromt hem in a long time.
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IBM is getting back into it yay! have not heard fromt hem in a long time.

They are always there. Sometimes companies underestimate them, but forget that IBM is their father. And fathers are wise smile.gif


If this technology advances, they will have made the only thing that was missing in my lifetime puzzle. Optical nanoconnections.
   
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Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
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EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
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W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
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SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
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SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
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AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
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Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
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Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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