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I have nothing but good experiences with my Panasonic G30 plasma TV so if you have the money for it the Panasonic V50 is your plasma TV to go for
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All of the above mostly, tv, movies, gaming. For normal web browsing i'm going to use my regular monitor mostly. But for everything else I think i'm gonna get a lot of use out of a large tv. Playing bf3 on a large monitor is going to rock. As for pixel density at that size, I'll sit 10 feet or so back which will give about the same quality as my 23" monitor at 3-4 feet.
Are those really the only issues? Because overheating isn't an issue as long as that doesnt mean damage to the monitor. Glare isnt an issue, nor is energy efficiency and buzzing should hopefully not be heard while listening to the tv or games. If so those tradeoffs are so worth the better picture quality.
Yes I'm after picture quality, not extra features like smart tv, web apps , 3d and so on. Those are just secondary extras to me.
Yeah, you know I initially disregarded plasmas off the bat as Image retention was a huge issue to me. But after hours and hours of reading I've come to the conclusion that image retention isn't the big issue I originally thought it to be. And the plasmas have most of what I'm after; rich vibrant blacks with good depth and excellent picture quality and uniformity and hopefully more accurate colors?
But I am going to use it as a monitor for a lot of time, probably everything besides web browsing. So even though image retention isnt the problem it used to be. For the little bit of reading i've done on plasmas (have been mostly looking up leds yesterday) it is still enough of a problem. I was looking at some cheaper panasonics like the st50 that had great quality but also have image retention issues. So far the best monitor that I found that has good anti-image retention is the Samsung PN60E6500. Hopefully the tradeoff won't be too much worse image quality. Any other suggestions with my needs in mind?
Once again thanks a lot guys. And i look forward to your vast knowledge on plasmas strong island 1, as i've decided to go down that path.
PS: If i am say...playing an mmo for a few hours with a gui on the screen. Will I have to turn the monitor to something with motion for minutes or hours? Or will simply changing the image for a moment wipe the slate as in restart my countdown to image retention doom if that makes any sense lol.
PSS: And yeah, screen uniformity is one of the big things that made me decide to go with plasma. Not going to spend 5 grand on a full array TV (not to mention the bloom this causes too, LED/LCDs just have too many issues) and i already know the issue of edge lit leds. My 23" monitor developed black spots in the center of the screen which is noticable on brighter images, telling me its edge lit at the top and bottom. If my 23" can have that issue i can only imagine how bad it could get on a screen nearly 3 times the size having to disperse light over such an area.

I would say if you want a plasma and are really worried about image retention the Samsung plasma you listed is very nice. I actually had the 60e7000 but it buzzed a lot and I returned it for the VT50. Some people say the buzzing doesn't bother them but I had a problem with it. Samsung plasmas are much better with image retention and there picture can actually be a little sharper at times then the panasonic plasma.

I would suggest going for the Samsung Plasma but make sure you get it from a retailer with a good return policy like best buy. They let me switch tv's with free delivery and pickup until I was satisfied. I love best buy for tv's. I wouldn't shop anywhere else for a tv. You don't want to have to deal with Samsung if the buzzing bothers you.

I had a edge lit LED before my panasonic plasma and the clouding in a dark room drove me nuts. Now in a dark room my plasma is so black and uniform I love it.

I just watch what I do with it. I don't leave logo channels on for a long time like ESPN. Plus I also broke it in using colored slides on a usb stick for 200 hours. You can leave it running for 24hrs so it only take a week or so. Google D-Nice break in slides if you end up wanting to do that.

Good luck.
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Yeah I was hoping to wait for a sale (i've seen tvs drop 3-400 on sales) but if im limited to retail stores thats limiting. Plus thats another more then $100 in tax. But true I've heard that theres variability sometimes in quality within the same model so having a retail store to return to is ideal.

A few more questions if you don't mind.

Will plasmas or this samsung i chose still be decent in somewhat light conditions? Say like light coming through the window with blinds up though. I'm not too concerned about it but itd still be nice not to be too washed out with a little light.

Another thing I'm worried about is, even though the samsung have good anti image retention. Will having a lot of static images like GUIs on a game cause image retention issues over the course of years. Like having a gui up then playing something with motion for a few minutes to clean the image up then back again and so forth. Just worried that this process might degrade the plasma, at least image retention wise (even with good anti image retention) over the course of years. Any thoughts?

And lastly about the image slides you used to break in your tv. Will 100 hours suffice? Id rather not wait 200 smile.gif

PS: after googling those image slides it says for panasonics. Is that propritary somehow or will it work fine for a samsung too?

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Yeah I was hoping to wait for a sale (i've seen tvs drop 3-400 on sales) but if im limited to retail stores thats limiting. Plus thats another more then $100 in tax. But true I've heard that theres variability sometimes in quality within the same model so having a retail store to return to is ideal.
A few more questions if you don't mind.
Will plasmas or this samsung i chose still be decent in somewhat light conditions? Say like light coming through the window with blinds up though. I'm not too concerned about it but itd still be nice not to be too washed out with a little light.
Another thing I'm worried about is, even though the samsung have good anti image retention. Will having a lot of static images like GUIs on a game cause image retention issues over the course of years. Like having a gui up then playing something with motion for a few minutes to clean the image up then back again and so forth. Just worried that this process might degrade the plasma, at least image retention wise (even with good anti image retention) over the course of years. Any thoughts?
And lastly about the image slides you used to break in your tv. Will 100 hours suffice? Id rather not wait 200 smile.gif
PS: after googling those image slides it says for panasonics. Is that propritary somehow or will it work fine for a samsung too?
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ya those slides work for any plasma. I also actually run them as a way to remove image retention also. The all grey almost white slides really help that.

To be totally honest with you I love my plasma but I am afraid to game on it. That's why I bought a really nice 27" 120 hz dedicated gaming screen. I do have the panasonic plasma though. I think you will be fine playing some games with the Samsung. CNET left a static dvd screen on overnight by accident and they were able to completely remove the image retention. I wouldn't game for hours at a time for weeks straight but if you mix up your content I would think you will be ok. You can also run the built in screen wash after gaming. I know it sounds like a lot but I think it's worth the picture quality.

Put in a blu-ray or animated blu-ray and it's mind blowing.

Also if you watch a lot of cable the Samsung cleans the picture up better, but blu-ray on the panny is amazing.

Also the Samsung is better at 3d and comes with the glasses. Even though I love my panny, the Samsung actually has some pros over the panny. I hate Samsung LED's but there plasmas are great.

Also some people say motion handling on the Samsung is better.

But the panny black levels are much darker.

I think 100 hours is good also. Some people say it's not even necessary at all but I like the idea of all the pixels aging evenly for the first 100-200 hours. People say the phosphors age rapidly during these first hours.

These plasmas have come a long way with reflections and as long as light isn't pouring in you will be fine.

I'm telling you the best advice I can give is to order from a brick and mortar with no question asked return policy. You will be kicking yourself when you want to return it.

I almost bought from an online retailer and after 3 tv returns later I was so grateful I didn't. Plus Best Buy priced matched Amazon so I don't see a reason not to get from best Buy.
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Samsung Plasma HDTV"s can do Full HD 3D.

However Panasonic plasma's can't do Full HD 3D.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64e8000-201210292316.htm?page=Performance
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However, Samsung’s plasma-based 3DTVs draw a full resolution 1080p HD image (Panasonic’s don’t, despite being marketed as “Full HD 3D”). Gradation quality is also significantly decreased in the 3D mode, but overall we found the image pleasing thanks to the full resolution.

Looks like Panasonic are liars trying to trick potential customers.

Green tint plagues all Panasonic plasma TV's

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1545348-green-tinge-fault-panasonic-vt30-gt30-st30-part-2-a.html

Panasonic plasma the worst plasma of 2012?

http://cnettv.cnet.com/panasonic-x5-worst-plasma-2012/9742-1_53-50132297.html
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Samsung Plasma HDTV"s can do Full HD 3D.
However Panasonic plasma's can't do Full HD 3D.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64e8000-201210292316.htm?page=Performance
Looks like Panasonic are liars trying to trick potential customers.
Green tint plagues all Panasonic plasma TV's
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1545348-green-tinge-fault-panasonic-vt30-gt30-st30-part-2-a.html
Panasonic plasma the worst plasma of 2012?
http://cnettv.cnet.com/panasonic-x5-worst-plasma-2012/9742-1_53-50132297.html
Every brand can have a bad model once in a while
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Sorry to bump this so late as I did already make my decision. But Im so excited and i wanted to update on my purchase. Went with the PN60E7000 instead of the 6500 as they let me price match and it actually came out a lot cheaper. Price matched from $1897 to $1493+tax and i also got a $200 bestbuy gift card with it. Can't wait but have to wait for access to a truck tomorrow to pick it up. Didn't fit in the car mad.gif

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Sorry to bump this so late as I did already make my decision. But Im so excited and i wanted to update on my purchase. Went with the PN60E7000 instead of the 6500 as they let me price match and it actually came out a lot cheaper. Price matched from $1897 to $1493+tax and i also got a $200 bestbuy gift card with it. Can't wait but have to wait for access to a truck tomorrow to pick it up. Didn't fit in the car mad.gif
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Great choice!

The Samsung PN60E7000 has the best user reviews on BestBuy if that means anything:

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/answers/3545/product/5024732/samsung-60-class-plasma-1080p-600hz-smart-3d-hdtv-questions-answers/questions.htm

Anything coming from Samsung is excellent quality these days.

Samsung Plasma's are actually the best brand to buy because they have superb image quality, great motion performance and excellent sexy design.

600Hz motion performance is boss!
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Anything coming from Samsung is excellent quality these days.
I wouldn't go that far, but they do have a very good track record for producing good models.
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600Hz motion performance is boss
Anything over 240Hz in a TV is just fluff. The real number is 120Hz, but TVs need 240Hz to be the same as a 120Hz monitor. Real 120Hz (240Hz TV) is also only needed for stereoscopic 3D. If you want to watch a Blu-Ray film at its best quality, you'd be running at 24fps; and non-stereoscopic gaming and some tv programs would be at 60fps.

All of the extra frame rate and interpolation between frames for motion is just a fluff feature that some people take a liking to. I would hardly consider it "boss".

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Sorry to bump this so late as I did already make my decision. But Im so excited and i wanted to update on my purchase. Went with the PN60E7000 instead of the 6500 as they let me price match and it actually came out a lot cheaper. Price matched from $1897 to $1493+tax and i also got a $200 bestbuy gift card with it. Can't wait but have to wait for access to a truck tomorrow to pick it up. Didn't fit in the car

Thanks to all who helped!
I'm glad you found what you were looking for. Be sure to remember to take the time to calibrate your colors, settings, and what not when you set it up. Also, if you do not already have some, I'd highly recommend getting at least a nice set of stereo speakers to go along with the TV: built-in TV sound is nearly always lacking.
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