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Hihi to all,

My name is Jinx and I am new to OCN and water-cooling mods.

Thanks to OCN that I have been reading around the site for 3 months, learning and preparing for my first WC build. I am making a list of components here and please drop your comments or advise me if you see any problem. I do have some questions/concerns at bottom of this list here.
Case - CaseLabs, TH10, with 2x Pedestals

PCware:
- Asus Rampage IV Extreme
- Intel 3960x
- 8x 8Gb, Corsair Platinum, 2133 Mhz
- 2x 240Gb SSD, Corsair Neutron Gtx, Raid_0
- 2x 500Gb SSD, Corsair Neutron Gtx, Raid_0 (planning for later only)
- 2x Asus Gtx 690
- 2x 1200W, Corsair Ax-1200i Digital
- Bluray Drive (undecided)


WCware:
- CPU Block, EK Sup Elite 2011
- MB Block Set, EK Nickel CQS
- GPU Block, EK Nickel Gtx690
- GPU Backplate, EK backplate
- Flow-bridge, parallel flow bridge by EK
- Pump, 2x D5 (planning on vpp655 variable speed)
- Pump Top, EK Dual D5 serial, w/o reservoir
- Res, EK RESx3 250
- Rad, 3x BlackIce Gtx 4.140
- Fans, 20x Corsair AF140 (4x on each Rads, 2x as intakes per each pedestal, last 4x to fit a side of pedestal without rad)
- Fan Control, Lamptron Touch
- 1/2-3/4 tubes through out the system

For now I am planning on 3x 140.4 rads, single loop, and my plan on flow path is...
Route Plan#1:
Reservoir > Dual_D5_Pumps > MB_BLK_1 > CPU_BLK > MB_BLK_2 > Radiator_1 > GPU_BLK_1 + GPU_BLK_2 (parallel) > Radiator_2 > Radiator_3 > (back to Res)

Route Plan#2:
Reservoir > Dual_D5_Pumps > MB_BLK_1 > CPU_BLK > MB_BLK_2 > GPU_BLK_1 + GPU_BLK_2 (parallel) > Radiator_1 > Radiator_2 > Radiator_3 > (back to Res)


Please help with my concerns and questions:
* Will 2x D5 pumps in serial enough for this setup?
* Can I use only 2x 140.4 rads to cool off the blocks (CPU, MB_BLKs, and 2x Gtx 690s, and low 80f ambient temperature during California summer days)
* In case I am getting 3x 140.4 Rads, is it necessary to split radiator(s) in the loop? My route plan #1 or #2?
* Is it necessary to get variable speed pumps? Or water pumps are like "set-it-and-forget-it" kind of devices?
* Is any coolant with color dyes bad for wc-pcs? Is pre-mix EK coolants bad too? (a lot of different perspectives out there..)

Thanks for your help/commons/advises. I will check in here everyday for next few days and hopefully receiving parts by Xmas and putting it together during the holidays.

Jinx Lynn
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Hi Jinx and welcome to OCN.
We have the same great case, you will not regret that case. The build quality is astounding.
But why the pedestal? You should be able to fit all 3 140.4 rads inside the case without a pedestal. Hell, you could probably fit more rads than that without a pedestal.

And did you buy your GTX 590 cards yet?
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Also, a single 1200 PSU should do if you only run two cards.
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* Can I use only 2x 140.4 rads to cool off the blocks (CPU, MB_BLKs, and 2x Gtx 690s, and low 80f ambient temperature during California summer days)

Sure, you could probably run all that on a single 140.4. The question is, how quiet do you want it all to be? The more rads and the more fans will make it all more quiet at idle and more ferocious at full blast.
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* In case I am getting 3x 140.4 Rads, is it necessary to split radiator(s) in the loop? My route plan #1 or #2?

The order of your stuff in the loop really is not important at all. It regulates itself and temps will pretty much be even across the entire loop.
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* Is it necessary to get variable speed pumps? Or water pumps are like "set-it-and-forget-it" kind of devices?

On Martin's now defunct old site, he had a great article on how there is not a whole lot to gain from dual pumps. I would try a single pump and attempt to get 1 GPM with that. You will find little benefit from a flow above 1 GPM. Most of us don't feel the need to fiddle with the pump speed all the time.
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* Is any coolant with color dyes bad for wc-pcs? Is pre-mix EK coolants bad too? (a lot of different perspectives out there..)

I have no experience with dyes and coolants other than DI. But I would tend to favour Mayhem. Feser has had some real bad reviews about clogging the pins on the blocks.

Dyes will stain, that's just what dyes do. But Mayhem report that their blue coolants don't stain.
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Hi Jinx and welcome to OCN.
We have the same great case, you will not regret that case. The build quality is astounding.
But why the pedestal? You should be able to fit all four 4.140 rads inside the case without a pedestal.
And did you buy your GTX 590 cards yet?


+1 for a CaseLabs Case. thumb.gif As PepeLapiu said, I also don't think you really need a pedestal on that particular case. There is PLENTY of room. As far as components go, nothing really bad sticks out to me, so you must have done some homework beforehand. Kudos to you for coming in as prepared as you could. thumb.gif As for the pumps, 2 D5's should be plenty for your loop. You don't "have to have" variable speed pumps, even though they can be nice to have, they are far from a must have feature IMHO. Your questions about loop order in reference to your radiators, honestly, you can do it anyway that want so long as your res goes to your pump. After that, personally, I would do whatever looks best and is the most practical for tubing management (also whatever allows you to use the least amount of 90 degree fittings).


As for dyes, it is a personal choice. A lot of people will swear by solely running distilled water and biocide. Others will swear they have no issues with the dye based coolants. As far as I know, some people get 2-3 years between flushings of their systems running Mayhems dye based coolants and pastels. So go with what you want in that regards. I would, however, recommend you read some further reviews and comparisons on running both of them, and make an educated decision based on what you want in terms of maintenance. I would recommend though, that if you did go with a dye based coolant, to use Mayhems. His products track records speak volumes to the quality of his coolants comparatively speaking to any other dye based coolant IMO.


Also, I see you are using a Fan Controller. You didn't particularly ask this, but be aware of how many fans you load on each channel. Not only for running amperage, but for starting amperage as well. With the one you selected though, you could run like 4-6 GT AP-15's off of it no problem. Just a heads up! Should you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to post 'em as you think of them. You could also PM me if you wish. Good luck and have fun!


And oh yeah, welcome to OCN. tongue.gif


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Hi Jinx and welcome to OCN.
We have the same great case, you will not regret that case. The build quality is astounding.
But why the pedestal? You should be able to fit all four 4.140 rads inside the case without a pedestal.
And did you buy your GTX 590 cards yet?


Thanks for asking about 2x bulky pedestals.
LOL.. long story but I guess I will get them, and get two of the pedestals.
My TH10 came in about 3 weeks ago and the SIZE is my problem.
Its size barely clear under my desk but it won't slide because my carpet floor cannot work with the rubber feet.
Without the rubber feet there will be ventilation problem at the bottom.
With the rubber feet there will be ventilation problem at the top and I don't plan to mount any rad on top side.
With the caster wheels.... it won't fit under my desk.

Now with 2x pedestals cascaded to the bottom plan, so I can piss off my CFO at home (LOL, J/K). The reason is I want to make the case without any air movement within the MB/PSU chambers, but only air flowing within the pedestals. The other reason is so I can see the waterlines when I am bored just by sitting at my desk, and I believe that is also the same reason that most of WCPC owners choose open window cases... Showing off, monitoring, and have aroma healing by visual biggrin.gif

Honestly, it is a great chassis for people enjoy roomy case and do not like to chop and drill on products. It has flaws like "no internal 5.25 mounts" unless removing bay covers, and "no sliding SSD/HDD trays" and "trays must be fully un-bolted" sort of difficulties... but still it the very best made case in my opinion before Corsair's new case (900D?!? Feb 2013??). I love made-in-us so.. CaseLabes is in the house already.

Thanks for asking... and help me with my concerns plz~
Edited by JdmDoc - 12/10/12 at 7:42pm
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you can do it anyway that want so long as your res goes to your pump.

Roger that, I did forget to mention that. Pump right after res so pump never runs dry.
Having the pump set lower than the res would also be good practice,
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You didn't particularly ask this, but be aware of how many fans you load on each channel. Not only for running amperage, but for starting amperage as well. With the one you selected though, you could run like 4-6 GT AP-15's off of it no problem.

If I recall, the Lamptron Touch has 30 W per channel. And the way Lamptron controls voltage, starting voltage is not a big issue. I have the Lamptron and I see no real problems running 8 GT-2150 or more on a single channel. Hell, I probably could run twice that much on a single channel.
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So have you bought your GTX 690's yet?
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Roger that, I did forget to mention that. Pump right after res so pump never runs dry.
Having the pump set lower than the res would also be good practice,
If I recall, the Lamptron Touch has 30 W per channel. And the way Lamptron controls voltage, starting voltage is not a big issue. I have the Lamptron and I see no real problems running 8 GT-2150 or more on a single channel. Hell, I probably could run twice that much on a single channel.


Yeah, I have the FC5-V2. Similar in terms of wattage per channel. I just always go on the safer side of things like this (being an electrician, I know all too well what happens when you overload/have spike loads maxing something all the time tongue.gif). Still though, you could definitely probably get away with a decent amount of fans. I'm only doing 6 per channel though, for longevity of my controller and heat dissipation purposes. thumb.gif
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Thank again PepeLapiu... and Addiction,

Yup Yup.... I will install all rads and pumps in the pedestals and I will install the Res up high in the MB chamber. See.. that is already in my plan of having extra pedestal(s). Thanks for acknowledging I did spent time on my homework.

The 2x Asus Gtx690s are sitting under my desk for last for 2 months already. I can feel the speed just by looking at the packaging. biggrin.gif

Thanks Addiction, I can see the point of having the Res before the pumps now.

About the fan controler, I believe all current Lamptron FC units (just like yours) can handle 30w/Ch, and any typical 120/140 fan draws 1W on average, or 2W on extreme... so I should be fine with 20 fans on 4x channels.... I guess.

I do have more concerns on noise from 2x D5 pumps. I believe Corsair fans work silently since I only can hear some AF120 fans (in my other air-cooling build) when my ear is about 1ft away when the case is opened, and I pray the BlackIce_Gtx rads have super low air resistance fins and stay high efficient cooling just like most review recommends.


Thanks again.
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Thank again PepeLapiu... and Addiction,
Yup Yup.... I will install all rads and pumps in the pedestals and I will install the Res up high in the MB chamber. See.. that is already in my plan of having extra pedestal(s). Thanks for acknowledging I did spent time on my homework.
The 2x Asus Gtx690s are sitting under my desk for last for 2 months already. I can feel the speed just by looking at the packaging. biggrin.gif
Thanks Addiction, I can see the point of having the Res before the pumps now.
About the fan controler, I believe all current Lamptron FC units (just like yours) can handle 30w/Ch, and any typical 120/140 fan draws 1W on average, or 2W on extreme... so I should be fine with 20 fans on 4x channels.... I guess.
I do have more concerns on noise from 2x D5 pumps. I believe Corsair fans work silently since I only can hear some AF120 fans (in my other air-cooling build) when my ear is about 1ft away when the case is opened, and I pray the BlackIce_Gtx rads have super low air resistance fins and stay high efficient cooling just like most review recommends.
Thanks again.


Noise shouldn't really be bad from 2 D5's to be honest. No problem at all for the answers, I'm glad to have helped where I could. thumb.gif Good luck with your build, and let us know if you have any more questions.
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