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Ironman, thanks for the reply. I didn't see your comment, I guess I was typing mine while you posted.

I forgot about PCI SSDs. I should look into those a bit more. Will on board SATA controllers be able to fully utilize their speed? Perhaps one of these for the OS plus a SATA SSD for user files, and RAID 0 for everything else. Don't worry, I would back up the RAID array.

I know the i7s are overkill, but I do some Photoshop work and I'm obsessed with overclocking, so I wanted to get the fastest chip I could. Even if I went i7 it would be socket 1155. What are the disadvantages of going with i5?

As for the video card, heat is an issue. I would only be putting the CPU under water since the small case won't allow for the extra radiator to cool the video card. Maybe the 7950 is overkill then, I've always been preferential to Nvidia anyways.

The current mod of the month, Compact Splash, is pretty much what I am going for with this build.
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Don't bother with a PCIe SSD. They are not going to be noticeably faster in normal use, and they are way overpriced. If you really feel that you need more speed than a single SSD can provide (which I doubt) then just get 2 and RAID them.

And are you really going to spend $150 on RAM? You can spend half that on some Vengeance LP or Ripjaws X in a 2x8 configuration, or even less with 4 sticks of the Samsung 30nm RAM. Do you really even need 16GB - 8GB is fine for an "everyday" computer.
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Ironman, thanks for the reply. I didn't see your comment, I guess I was typing mine while you posted.
I forgot about PCI SSDs. I should look into those a bit more. Will on board SATA controllers be able to fully utilize their speed? Perhaps one of these for the OS plus a SATA SSD for user files, and RAID 0 for everything else. Don't worry, I would back up the RAID array.
I know the i7s are overkill, but I do some Photoshop work and I'm obsessed with overclocking, so I wanted to get the fastest chip I could. Even if I went i7 it would be socket 1155. What are the disadvantages of going with i5?
As for the video card, heat is an issue. I would only be putting the CPU under water since the small case won't allow for the extra radiator to cool the video card. Maybe the 7950 is overkill then, I've always been preferential to Nvidia anyways.
The current mod of the month, Compact Splash, is pretty much what I am going for with this build.

Actually they will not fully utilize sata III, but they will use more than sata II can offer. As far as user files, a HDD will not really be any different for user files. I would only add another SSD for programs if needed. I would keep the user files on a HDD. It gives more space. I wouldnt do raid 0 anyways, Just do a raid 0+1 or something. It will cost 2x as much but will give you better read speeds with redundancy. Grab like 4x 64GB SSDs or 128GB SSDs if you need more space.

If you want something that is low on heat I would go with a 7770 or the a 650. The 7770 should perform better, but it will run hotter than the 650. Both should be priced similar.
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the thermaltake armor 30 ~ $113, has side windows and fits microatx size mobo, but you loose the radiator type heatsink installation. redface.gif

The problem with TJ08 is that you cant fit the H100 you have choosen, the CM HAF XB can swallow it up front. biggrin.gif
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the thermaltake armor 30 ~ $113, has side windows and fits microatx size mobo, but you loose the radiator type heatsink installation. redface.gif
The problem with TJ08 is that you cant fit the H100 you have choosen, the CM HAF XB can swallow it up front. biggrin.gif

The armor is okay, but a bit too flashy. That HAF XB is looking better and better though. And yeah, if the TJ08 had a window and 2x120mm fan configurations, then I would be set.

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Actually they will not fully utilize sata III, but they will use more than sata II can offer. As far as user files, a HDD will not really be any different for user files. I would only add another SSD for programs if needed. I would keep the user files on a HDD. It gives more space. I wouldnt do raid 0 anyways, Just do a raid 0+1 or something. It will cost 2x as much but will give you better read speeds with redundancy. Grab like 4x 64GB SSDs or 128GB SSDs if you need more space.
If you want something that is low on heat I would go with a 7770 or the a 650. The 7770 should perform better, but it will run hotter than the 650. Both should be priced similar.

I'm confused about the comment relating to SATA II and SATA III. Are you saying a SATA II controller would bottleneck the PCI SSDs, but a SATA III controller would not?

I already have a RAID 0 array for my users files, and I would just install that rather than buy new hard drives, so the cost isn't really an issue. I wanted the SSD for my documents, music and commonly-accessed files just to speed it up. I only have 60 or so GB of that. Movies and whatnot would get stored on the RAID 0 array. My worry is that a PCI SSD will be so fast that the difference between that and the mechanical drives would be too noticeable for me. I figure the SSD would help bridge that gap. Also, if a program is installed on an SSD but the files it requires are stored on a mechanical, it can only access them as fast as the mechanical drive can, so I might as well store them on an SSD.

Here is the build I am leaning towards at the moment. Thoughts?

Mobo: Maximus V Gene ( $190 and the cheaper options are only ~$50 less, which isn't enough of a difference for me to change)
CPU: i5 3570K
RAM: G. Skill Ripjaw X F3-12800 16GB (4x4GB)
PUS: Corsair HX 650 (I can get it for $90...)
HDD1: OCZ Revodrive 3 120GB (For OS and software)
HDD2: Samsung 840 Series 120GB
HDD3: WD Caviar Black 1TB(RAID 0)
HDD4: WD Caviar Black 1TB(RAID 0)
Cooler: Corsair H100 (or H70)
GPU: GTX 660 (non-TI)

All of that is about $1500 after taxes. I'm just missing a case but that is only ~$100 or so. I might not go with the second SSD and put that money towards a better video card or liquid cooling, but I haven't decided yet.
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The armor is okay, but a bit too flashy. That HAF XB is looking better and better though. And yeah, if the TJ08 had a window and 2x120mm fan configurations, then I would be set.
I'm confused about the comment relating to SATA II and SATA III. Are you saying a SATA II controller would bottleneck the PCI SSDs, but a SATA III controller would not? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I already have a RAID 0 array for my users files, and I would just install that rather than buy new hard drives, so the cost isn't really an issue. I wanted the SSD for my documents, music and commonly-accessed files just to speed it up. I only have 60 or so GB of that. Movies and whatnot would get stored on the RAID 0 array. My worry is that a PCI SSD will be so fast that the difference between that and the mechanical drives would be too noticeable for me. I figure the SSD would help bridge that gap. Also, if a program is installed on an SSD but the files it requires are stored on a mechanical, it can only access them as fast as the mechanical drive can, so I might as well store them on an SSD.
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PUS: Corsair HX 650 (I can get it for $90...)
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HDD2: Samsung 840 Series 120GB
HDD3: WD Caviar Black 1TB(RAID 0)
HDD4: WD Caviar Black 1TB(RAID 0)
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GPU: GTX 660 (non-TI)
All of that is about $1500 after taxes. I'm just missing a case but that is only ~$100 or so. I might not go with the second SSD and put that money towards a better video card or liquid cooling, but I haven't decided yet.

No, PCI ssds are not dependent on sata controllers. they are dependent on your PCIe lanes. Sata SSDs are dependent on your sata controller. If you are getting a OCZ PCIe SSD for your OS, make sure it is the Max IOPS version. Otherwise you wasted a lot of cash.

As far as the rest of the build goes, I would go with a Rosewill Capstone, it is a much better quality, and Gold cert and should be cheaper than the HX650.

I just realized you were in Canada, ill update with a new suggested build shortly.
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No, PCI ssds are not dependent on sata controllers. they are dependent on your PCIe lanes. Sata SSDs are dependent on your sata controller. If you are getting a OCZ PCIe SSD for your OS, make sure it is the Max IOPS version. Otherwise you wasted a lot of cash.
As far as the rest of the build goes, I would go with a Rosewill Capstone, it is a much better quality, and Gold cert and should be cheaper than the HX650.
I just realized you were in Canada, ill update with a new suggested build shortly.

Ah, right. That makes sense, why would the SATA controller effect a PCI connection doh.gif

I will make sure to get the Max IOPS version, but can I ask why? Newegg has a 240GB version (not Max IOPS) that has the same read/write, 5,000 less IOPS on the 4k random write, and is much cheaper. Is there that big of a difference? The 240GB is like $100 less and twice the capacity.


The HX650 is a gold certified PSU, and actually works out to be cheaper than the Rosewill depending on the retailer. I always thought Rosewill PSU's weren't the greatest, did that change recently?

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I always thought Rosewill PSU's weren't the greatest, did that change recently?
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Depends on the model. The Capstone has Super Flower internals and is excellent. The Hive is also good, and the new Tachyon series is supposed to be excellent as well. Some of the lower end models, not so much though.
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Ah, right. That makes sense, why would the SATA controller effect a PCI connection doh.gif
I will make sure to get the Max IOPS version, but can I ask why? Newegg has a 240GB version (not Max IOPS) that has the same read/write, 5,000 less IOPS on the 4k random write, and is much cheaper. Is there that big of a difference? The 240GB is like $100 less and twice the capacity.
The HX650 is a gold certified PSU, and actually works out to be cheaper than the Rosewill depending on the retailer. I always thought Rosewill PSU's weren't the greatest, did that change recently?
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Rosewill and Corsair both use different OEMS for different models of their PSUs.

Rosewill's Capstone uses Superflower, a very good OEM manufacturer. Where as Corsair uses Seasonic, which also makes very good PSUs, If the HX and Capstone are about the same price, I would go with the HX because of Corsair's warranty.

The MaxIOPS version will help with booting a lot. without it, it will hardly be faster (If at all) than raid 0 SSDs for booting.

I think you want the Revodrive3 x2 MaxIOPs version, it might be significantly more though if you arent looking at the x2 model. It should have over 200k IOPS

Here is a quick build. If you are not doing much gaming anymore, a 7770 will be perfect. You should really grab Windows 8, since it is a nice little speed upgrade from Windows 7. Full build (Click to show)
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($107.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($148.99 @ Computer Valley)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 Max IOPS 240GB PCI-E Solid State Disk ($717.99 @ Computer Valley)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Case: NZXT M59 - 001BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.49 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.55 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1658.64
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Edited by Ironman517 - 12/11/12 at 12:56pm
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Wifey Rig
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Xbox PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k @ 4.8GHz stable ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen 3 MSI GTX 980 Ti 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1866Mhz Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
256GB Crucial M4 1.5 TB HDD XSPC Raystorm RS360 Windows 7 Professional 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 28" 4K Corsair AX750 Corsair 800D SWTOR Razer Naga 
AudioOtherOtherOther
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium XSPC RS120 8 x GT AP-15s White Sleeved Cables for Corsair AX750 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3Ghz Asus P5G41T-M LX Plus EVGA GTX 680 2x4 GB 1333Mhz 
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500GB WD Black 64 GB Crucial M4 Sony CD/DVD burner H40 w/ GT AP-15s 
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Rosewill and Corsair both use different OEMS for different models of their PSUs.
Rosewill's Capstone uses Superflower, a very good OEM manufacturer. Where as Corsair uses Seasonic, which also makes very good PSUs, If the HX and Capstone are about the same price, I would go with the HX because of Corsair's warranty.
The MaxIOPS version will help with booting a lot. without it, it will hardly be faster (If at all) than raid 0 SSDs for booting.
I think you want the Revodrive3 x2 MaxIOPs version, it might be significantly more though if you arent looking at the x2 model. It should have over 200k IOPS

Corsair it is then. I've had to use their warranty a couple times and it is very good, part of the reason I want to stick with them.

I can't seem to find the x2 MaxIOPS, only the regulard x2 on Newegg. Even that is $150 more for a 240GB, so I can only imagine the Max IOPS version is out of my price range.

In your first post you mentioned another SSD by Fusion-io. Any idea what those things go for?
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