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Hey guys, so im putting together a list of things id like to use in my first custom water cooling system. I built this computer a year ago and put in a Corsair H60 for the time being so i could try out water cooling (was financially restricted at the time). Now that ive got some money aside i wanna do a CPU/ Mobo loop to start off, im going to add a gpu loop but that wont be for another 2 years once i decide to upgrade my graphic card, currently got an artic cooler accelero II so it's runs pretty cool and quiet. i overclock often and im a sound nazi so putting in this loop will be nice. heres my current computer build:

cpu: intel i-5 2500k oc @ 4.5 gb w/ 1.35 vcore, (will be upgrading to a 3550k)
mobo: asus maximus 4 gene z
ram: corsair vengence 1600 8 gb (2x4) (upgrading to 32 gb of gskil), 2 gb ramdisk
gpu: xfx 6950 w/ accelero II, oced
SSD1: 120 gb vertex 4
SSD2: 128 vertex 3
HHD: 2 TB WD
PSU: Corsair TX 750
Case: CoolerMaster Haf X

and heres the water cooling set up i want to get, im looking for any advice here. im a complete noob so go ahead and rip this apart if u want. i have no idea about the fittings or tubbing. if i can mod my case (which im willing to do), im going to pack in a quad 120 mm radiator at the top instead of the trple 120.

Cpu block:
XSPC Raystorm

Mobo blocks:
ASUS Maximus 4/5 Gene-Z Cooler Set Nickel POM Black

Pump:
Swiftech MCP35X 12v PWM Controlled Water Pump - Black

Res:
Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 250 - 60mm Tube Reservoir - Clear


EK Dual Loop / Dual Bay SPIN Reservoir w/ Flow Meters - Black Acetal (EK-BAY Spin RES DUAL Loop - Black Acetal
Radiator:

Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta Triple 120mm Radiator - 60mm Thick or Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta Quad120mm Radiator - 60mm Thick


Due to spacing:
Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta Triple 120mm Radiator - 80mm Thick
Edited by adamthepolak - 12/12/12 at 3:54pm
post #2 of 43
Hey, welcome to OCN.

I don't know how much room you got for your rad so this might not apply to you:
A thinner rad (i.e. UT60) in push/pull will perform better than a thicker rad in only push or pull.

Don't get two loops unless it's for some sort of aesthetic reason. Given the same blocks, pump, and rads a single loop will perform better than dual loops. I can explain in more details if need be.

You won''t get a whole lot of benefits from a mobo block. I am putting one in my next build but it's more for bling and bragging rights.

That MCP35 is a great pump (the best IMHO) but pumps do get hot and you will benefit by putting a relatively cheap heat sink on it so that your pump will introduce less heat into your loop. Not required, I just think it's a great little performance tweak. A fan on it would be even better.

Cheers! drunken.gif
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hey pepe,

im still looking into seeing how much clearance ill have with the rad. i know i wont have room to put push/ pull all hanging from the top but i might be able to have the radiator and the push 120s hanging with two 140s on top pulling, still debating this part.

i may just get a single dual bay reservoir then as im not going to be upgrading to a gpu loop for another 2+ years. as for the mobo blocks, ya im going fully for bragging rights and for looks lol. '

i really like the pump advice, i can put the pump in the bottom/ front of the case so my front fan blows over the fins.
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Here is why I'm not a fan of dual loops:

You rarely use both GPU and CPU at full throttle. Most of the time, your GPU only is speeding up when gaming while the CPU is idling.
Same if you are encoding a video: the CPU is throttled up while the GPU is idling.

So imagine if you will : two loops, one for the GPU and one for the CPU. Both loops use a 120.3 rad.
So you are gaming and pushing your OC'd GPU to the limit while your CPU is idling in the background. Your GPU could really use as much raddage as you can throw at it but it can only use the one rad in it's loop while the CPU loop's rad is not getting fully used.

See what I mean? In a single loop, all the rads get used on whatever needs to be cooled.
And you also have the extra noise of two pumps and not to mention the extra cost of two pumps ....... all that for less performance when needed.

But let's face it, two loops with two different coolant colours really ads style to a machine, I can't deny that.

Cheers cheers.gif
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post #5 of 43
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alright so im definitly going with a single loop, starting to change my mind bout the style of reservoir all together.
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alright so im definitly going with a single loop, starting to change my mind bout the style of reservoir all together.

Single loop for sure. I would suggest looking into the XSPC cooling kits as they have everything you need for a CPU only loop and you can easily add in a GPU to it.

Monsta rads are amazing, but in order to get the best out of those guys your gonna need hefty loud fans. A UT 60 (great rad) should keep your parts happy.

Draw your loop on paper and try out every single possibility, share ideas and you will get feedback.

Good Luck
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Be prepared to change your mind about 9 million times over the next few weeks. smile.gif I'm about to build my first loop too. Since you're close to Daz, you might want to check out www.dazmode.com since he's in the GTA (not sure exactly where). He sells custom XSPC kits in multiple configurations. If you'd be willing to skip the mobo stuff for now, you could easily get an all-in-one kit and have everything you need in one order. Assuming you plan out the tubing properly and anticipate the need for more fittings (45 angle, 90 angle, etc). If you'd be willing to go XSPC for the rad/reservoir, might not be a bad kit for you. He offers multiple XSPC rad selections with the kits, so if you really want a thick rad, you can get it.

Just my $0.02. Daz got my order to me in the middle of moving his business, while sick with the flu. Gotta love service like that. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Bart View Post

Be prepared to change your mind about 9 million times over the next few weeks. smile.gif I'm about to build my first loop too. Since you're close to Daz, you might want to check out www.dazmode.com since he's in the GTA (not sure exactly where). He sells custom XSPC kits in multiple configurations. If you'd be willing to skip the mobo stuff for now, you could easily get an all-in-one kit and have everything you need in one order. Assuming you plan out the tubing properly and anticipate the need for more fittings (45 angle, 90 angle, etc). If you'd be willing to go XSPC for the rad/reservoir, might not be a bad kit for you. He offers multiple XSPC rad selections with the kits, so if you really want a thick rad, you can get it.
Just my $0.02. Daz got my order to me in the middle of moving his business, while sick with the flu. Gotta love service like that. smile.gif

That my friend is a true fact.
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

Single loop for sure. I would suggest looking into the XSPC cooling kits as they have everything you need for a CPU only loop and you can easily add in a GPU to it.
Monsta rads are amazing, but in order to get the best out of those guys your gonna need hefty loud fans. A UT 60 (great rad) should keep your parts happy.
Draw your loop on paper and try out every single possibility, share ideas and you will get feedback.
Good Luck

Im going to be using Corsair SP120s, got them now and i cant hear them at all. The duct outside my room that blows air into my apartment is wayyy louder then my cpu. Figured with 6 in push/ pull it be pretty silent and cool. im will lose a little sound if it gains me better temps

And thanks bart ill be sure to check dazmode when i have a chance
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Originally Posted by adamthepolak View Post

Im going to be using Corsair SP120s, got them now and i cant hear them at all. The duct outside my room that blows air into my apartment is wayyy louder then my cpu. Figured with 6 in push/ pull it be pretty silent and cool. im will lose a little sound if it gains me better temps
And thanks bart ill be sure to check dazmode when i have a chance

Great fans no doubt as long as you use a standard Rad, like I said before, for a monsta rad to get the best out of it you need like 38MM high pressure fans so that air can be pushed over the fins.

With the above said, go with what you like, as a watercooling loop just doesn't have to perform good, it has to look good, and I build something that I look at everyday it better be good looking.

Just spend time reading about different rads, and how they perform based on the fans you plan to use.
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