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I'm looking for a low-cost mobo/cpu combination for a home FreeNAS server with ZFS. The server will have 10x 3TB drives in two 5 disk RAIDZ vdevs. This is mostly going to be a media streaming NAS, with some dual functionality as a general backup. As such, I don't image it'll need a very powerful processor, but it will need a lot of RAM. And because I'm trying to do this on a budget, I'd like to keep the cost of CPU + Mobo under $200-$250.

Requirements:

MicroATX form factor
32 GB ECC RAM support ([un]buffered/[un]registered doesn't matter, but ECC is a must)
Dual core CPU

It would also be nice to find a mobo with >=6 sata ports, and again under $200-250.

I know that AMD's desktop processors support ECC, but I haven't been able to find a microATX mobo that supports 32GB ECC memory. I also know that the new i3s support ECC in the right mobos, but I haven't found any that do 32GB with ECC UDIMMs (they all require registered memory).

Does what I'm looking for even exist? Or will I have to suck it up and either pay more or go ECC-free?
post #2 of 11
maybe something from supermicro like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182256R i know its open box
and here is some more to look at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001655%2040000302%20600136967&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%201155
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post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
It looks like the SuperMicro X9SCL with a Celeron G540 is my best option. The combination comes out to $210 on Newegg.
post #4 of 11
You need 10 total SATA ports? You planning on using SATA Controller / RAID Card? Good luck with your build! I love my FreeNAS setup!
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post #5 of 11
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That's the plan. I've got a box full of SATA controller cards (though now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I have any PCIe ones), and that will provide me the four ports. If I don't have one that works, they're very cheap, especially since I don't need or care about RAID options (yay ZFS!).
post #6 of 11
Yep, I love ZFS. Try to use a PCIe card, since PCI bandwidth is crap for running that kind of setup. Also the PCI bus is shared with other components on a motherboard so PCIe is a better solution. I know some people use RAID cards with ZFS, they just run it in JBOD mode and set raidz in ZFS.
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150GB Western Digital 10k Velociraptor PFsense FreeBSD 1U Rack Mount Half Depth 
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Core 2 Duo 6400 2.13GHz GIGABYTE GA-G41MT-S2PT LGA775 Onboard Gskill 8GB DDR3 1333 
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Western Digital Red 2TB WD20EFRX ZFS Mirror Western Digital Red 2TB WD20EFRX ZFS Mirror Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 1TB ZFS Mirror Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 1TB ZFS Mirror 
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Enermax Magma 120mm Fan FreeNAS 8.3.0 x64 Cooler Master Silent Pro M600 Some old Velocity Micro / Lian Li  
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Pro 256GB  Western Digital RE4 3TB (Data) LG DVD-RW Corsair H100 Push / Pull 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 x64 Acer 27" 1920 x 1080 LED LCD Corsair Vengeance K60 Keyboard with Cherry® MX ... Corsair Pro Series HX850 
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NZXT Switch 810 Glossy Black Razer DeathAdder 3.5G Corsair Vengeance MM400 Mouse Mat Realtek ALC889 
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Core 2 Duo 6420 2.13GHz Super Micro PDSML-LN2+ 4GB DDR2 5300E 150GB Western Digital 10k Velociraptor 
Hard DriveOSCase
150GB Western Digital 10k Velociraptor PFsense FreeBSD 1U Rack Mount Half Depth 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo 6400 2.13GHz GIGABYTE GA-G41MT-S2PT LGA775 Onboard Gskill 8GB DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Western Digital Red 2TB WD20EFRX ZFS Mirror Western Digital Red 2TB WD20EFRX ZFS Mirror Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 1TB ZFS Mirror Hitachi HDT721010SLA360 1TB ZFS Mirror 
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post #7 of 11
dell 6ir is perfect for HBA for ZFS, I've used them to great success, LSI also makes a HBA that supports x16 drives. Also m1015 with IT firmware is a good choice. I've used all three of these, so I can confirm they work with ZFS.

The dell HBA's and M1015 can be found on ebay all day, and provide no bottleneck for the drives (15k chetahs still screamed!)

Also for raid config, I would recommend raidz6. Despite people saying that x2 raidz1 arrays were the way to go when building big arrays, I saw ~5% performance difference between the two during my tests with bonnie. With no performance hit (and that many drives is going to do upwards of 600MB/s, x6 more then you can send down gigabit) there was no reason not to get the added benefit of allowing x2 drive failures over the entire array vs 1 per array.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Iris View Post

Yep, I love ZFS. Try to use a PCIe card, since PCI bandwidth is crap for running that kind of setup. Also the PCI bus is shared with other components on a motherboard so PCIe is a better solution. I know some people use RAID cards with ZFS, they just run it in JBOD mode and set raidz in ZFS.

+1 to using PCI-E
Using Raid card in JBOD mode per drive is like driving a ferrari in the slow lane. Almost all the features that make ZFS great like dedupe and error checking are thrown out the window since you don't have direct block access to the drive.
post #9 of 11
100% use a PCIe HBA.

I've used PERC H200's in the past, great and very under-rated cards.

This will also let you get a cheaper MB with less SATA.
    
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Originally Posted by dushan24 View Post

100% use a PCIe HBA.
I've used PERC H200's in the past, great and very under-rated cards.
This will also let you get a cheaper MB with less SATA.
What OS can you confirm they work on? Always like to add sas HBA to the list for ZFS
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