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so AMD's high end consumer chip competes with a midrange intel chip congrats? How many chips does Intel have above the 3570k? AMD has been behind on the high end for a while now end of story. Price/performance you can argue though, but for those who don't care about price intel is the way to go.


MY point is that you DON'T need a new socket EVERYTIME to increase performance and AMD has proven that. Haswell DOES need a new pin layout because of the integrated VRM's - I am not arguing against that. I was simply arguing against what Almighty was wrongfully ranting about. AMD has kept their socket layout nearly the same since 2005 and they're still producing powerful CPU's that directly compete with some of Intel's offerings.


One thing you seem to be forgetting is that Intel has 90,000 more employees than AMD. AMD has 10,000 employees split between their CPU division and graphics division yet they manage to produce products that directly compete with Intel's and NVIDIA's offerings. Any company that can do that is nothing short of impressive.


And i'm not trying to say that AMD has an offering to compete with every single one of Intel's offerings. I'm simply saying that AMD has products (CPU's) that directly compete with some of Intel's CPU's.
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MY point is that you DON'T need a new socket EVERYTIME to increase performance and AMD has proven that. Haswell DOES need a new pin layout because of the integrated VRM's - I am not arguing against that. I was simply arguing against what Almighty was wrongfully ranting about. AMD has kept their socket layout nearly the same since 2005 and they're still producing powerful CPU's.
One thing you seem to be forgetting is that Intel has 90,000 more employees than AMD. AMD has 10,000 employees split between their CPU division and graphics division yet they manage to produce products that directly compete with Intel's and NVIDIA's offerings. Any company that can do that is nothing short of impressive.


They have no answer for intels high end parts, that's hardly directly competing. maybe in the low to mid range they do but they continue to have no answer for intels high end cpus.

As for the socket, It doesn't really bother me personally but I can see why it would bother others. Aside from maybe my current computer my mobo is usually one of the least expensive (major) components of the system.
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Guess 1155 is where it is at then. No reason to upgrade past that for the next year or so...2011 is just too far out of reach for most people in terms of money and power for regular usage, not video editing or hard core 3D work.
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They have no answer for intels high end parts, that's hardly directly competing. maybe in the low to mid range they do but they continue to have no answer for intels high end cpus.
As for the socket, It doesn't really bother me personally but I can see why it would bother others. Aside from maybe my current computer my mobo is usually one of the least expensive (major) components of the system.


A company doesn't need an answer for all of their competitors products to DIRECTLY COMPETE with them.doh.gif


Emerson directly competes with Sharp - yet Sharp has a 108" T.V. and Emerson does not...

Kia directly competes with Chevrolet - yet Kia doesn't offer any competitors for the Corvette...

AMD directly competes with NVIDIA - Yet AMD doesn't have an official dual GPU video card to compete with the GTX 690 (The 7990/7870X2 is made by Powercolor/HIS INDEPENDENTLY)



The list goes ON and ON and ON and ON.
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rolleyes.gif The FX-8350 manages to directly compete with the Core i5 3570k and can work in either an AM3 or AM3+ motherboard....How is that not impressive? And *** are you ranting on about? Slower performance? Really? That was ONE TIME because Bulldozer flopped. They picked right back up with Piledriver. AMD has kept a socket that's relatively the same since AM2 but has gone from Athlon X2 performance to FX-8350 performance...

Intel socket 775 to 1156 & 1336 = Massive IPC boost, moved to an IMC and added HT

Intel socket 1156 & 1336 to 1155 &2011 = IPC boost, tweaked IMC, Added PCIEX to on die

AMD AM2 to AM3 = Added DDR3 support, improved IPC

AMD AM3 to AM3+ = Added more cores, IPC decrease
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AMD has kept a socket that's relatively the same since AM2 but has gone from Athlon X2 performance to FX-8350 performance...
You say that as if it were a good thing.
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A company doesn't need an answer for all of their competitors products to DIRECTLY COMPETE with them.doh.gif
Emerson directly competes with Sharp - yet Sharp has a 108" T.V. and Emerson does not...
Kia directly competes with Chevrolet - yet Kia doesn't offer any competitors for the Corvette...
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depends on your point of view, if I was buying a corvette then kia is not a direct competitor.... If you are a high end consumer then you wouldn't consider amd as a competitor
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You say that as if it were a good thing.

Well yes. The FX-8350 directly competes with the Core i5 3570k despite the fact that it's on a socket that's very similar to a socket that's been around since 2005. I'd say that's quite impressive. Lets not forget one of AMD's main selling points is compatibility. AM3 processors worked in AM2+ boards, AM3+ processors worked in AM3 boards and vise versa.

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depends on your point of view, if I was buying a corvette then kia is not a direct competitor.... If you are a high end consumer then you wouldn't consider amd as a competitor

My point is the Kia Spectra directly competes with a Ford Focus. Therefore they directly compete with each other. The FX-8350 directly competes with the Core i5 3570k, therefore AMD and Intel directly compete with each other.

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Intel socket 775 to 1156 & 1336 = Massive IPC boost, moved to an IMC and added HT
Intel socket 1156 & 1336 to 1155 &2011 = IPC boost, tweaked IMC, Added PCIEX to on die
AMD AM2 to AM3 = Added DDR3 support, improved IPC
AMD AM3 to AM3+ = Added more cores, IPC decrease


OK but the Phenom II X6 to the FX-8350 there's been quiet an impressive performance boost. Again - the FX-8350 directly competes with Intels Ivy Bridge Core i5 processors. The Phenom II X6 does not. Therefore there was a performance increase.
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Well yes. The FX-8350 directly competes with the Core i5 3570k despite the fact that it's on a socket that's very similar to a socket that's been around since 2005. I'd say that's quite impressive.
There's some magical performance benefit that comes with moving to a new socket, right? rolleyes.gif
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Well yes. The FX-8350 directly competes with the Core i5 3570k despite the fact that it's on a socket that's very similar to a socket that's been around since 2005. I'd say that's quite impressive.

If you actually look a the performance at each architecture that AMD have released since socket AM2 you'll see that things have not improved a fat lot, you do the same for Intel the improvements are very apparent.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974.html

That article compares every major CPU architecture on a per core, per clock basis that was released from 2005 to 2011...

You'll see that some of early K7 AMD based CPU's are faster then AMD's much later CPU's in some cases...
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