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84W TDP, If this is real we will see a bigger performance boost than last tick/tock shift thumb.gif
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while i understand that to some mobile or server applications low-power consumption is a high selling point both for battery life, heat generated and electricity bills for folding.

i'm reading all these comments about people in this thread and others complaining about power consumption in GPU's and CPU's and it irks me. This is OCN, and overkill is a standard for most of us. I feel like its contradictory to have someone with 2,3 GPU's and water cooling loops to compare AMD/Nvidia GPU's or AMD/Intel CPU's for power consumption.... really?

Given what I Fold with, I do have a SLIGHT concern for lower power (because my electric bill for Folding is a nightmare), but I will gladly trade lower power consumption for performance.

Here is my "Folding Farm" as it stands right now:

i7 965EE OC'd with 2 OC'd GTX 580 video cards (The Betty)
i7 2700K OC'd (my team competition folder, White Ranger)
i7 3770K (eventually OC'd) with an OC'd GTX 560Ti (Muzzle Flash)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Slave Driver)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Red Devil)
E5500 desktop (I don't know why I fold with it anymore, it only does about 2-3k PPD a day).
Dual Xeon server
An older Dual Xeon server
Single Xeon server


For me, it's all about the PPD. I'm just not seeing anything in Haswell that is signaling to me that it will be worth it to go out and drop a grand or two on a new motherboard, CPU, heatsink and what ever just to get 5-15% more STOCK performance, with a questionable limit to total overclocking.
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while i understand that to some mobile or server applications low-power consumption is a high selling point both for battery life, heat generated and electricity bills for folding.
i'm reading all these comments about people in this thread and others complaining about power consumption in GPU's and CPU's and it irks me. This is OCN, and overkill is a standard for most of us. I feel like its contradictory to have someone with 2,3 GPU's and water cooling loops to compare AMD/Nvidia GPU's or AMD/Intel CPU's for power consumption.... really?
in regards to this actual thread, people were raving about ivy power consumption and turns out it runs hotter when overclocked due to the TIM. I'd recommend you guys to hold those power consumption comparisons back until we see overclocked temperatures of Haswell, unless you guys love getting hyped up and crushed in dissapointment later.
just my two cents, im not singling anyone out, it just baffles me and I personally believe that to the 95% of us it doesn't matter. i dont have statistics, but i feel like the majority of OCN falls under the "3-gpu" people. We might not own 3 GPU's and power-hungry rigs, but we certainly want one if the budget was available.
i personally am very happy with my i5-2500k. i haven't overcloked it yet and it has been running the stuff i need it to just fine. i'll upgrade AFTER applications become so heavy that a 4.6 OC doesn't cut it anymore. and based off what i'm doing (non-crysis gaming), that upgrade should come a generation after haswell or late 2014-2015, whichever comes first.

Could not have said it better myself! I always shed a small tear when I someone sya that..lol I was a huge fan of the super power hungry GTX 480 series..lol! oh boy did those cards chew through power! But I loved them dearly and kept them till I replaced them with the SLI 680's..lol
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84W TDP, If this is real we will see a bigger performance boost than last tick/tock shift thumb.gif

Got my fingers crossed for this as well! I've been wanting to upgrade but nothing really stands out when I've got my 2500k @ 4.8ghz. So if we can get some good increases I'm super excited to snag me one!
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Given what I Fold with, I do have a SLIGHT concern for lower power (because my electric bill for Folding is a nightmare), but I will gladly trade lower power consumption for performance.
Here is my "Folding Farm" as it stands right now:
i7 965EE OC'd with 2 OC'd GTX 580 video cards (The Betty)
i7 2700K OC'd (my team competition folder, White Ranger)
i7 3770K (eventually OC'd) with an OC'd GTX 560Ti (Muzzle Flash)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Slave Driver)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Red Devil)
E5500 desktop (I don't know why I fold with it anymore, it only does about 2-3k PPD a day).
Dual Xeon server
An older Dual Xeon server
Single Xeon server
For me, it's all about the PPD. I'm just not seeing anything in Haswell that is signaling to me that it will be worth it to go out and drop a grand or two on a new motherboard, CPU, heatsink and what ever just to get 5-15% more STOCK performance, with a questionable limit to total overclocking.

drool.gif

Can I has a farm like yours? lol
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So, if this is reliable, they're sacrificing the higher freq to keep power usage lower and still up the graphics unit. Hope they OC sky high, I'm too impatient to wait for Broadwell for a decent upgrade smile.gif

HD 4000 isn't too bad at all if you overclock it to 1.5ghz and use very fast memory. I tested weeks ago and at 1024x768 I averaged 50fps on high in bf3 multiplayer.

Hoping HD4600 will overclock just as well

S|A ran some tests a while back showing horrible scaling (less gain) with higher clock speeds on the HD 4000, and they got theirs to 1600MHz.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Given what I Fold with, I do have a SLIGHT concern for lower power (because my electric bill for Folding is a nightmare), but I will gladly trade lower power consumption for performance.
Here is my "Folding Farm" as it stands right now:
i7 965EE OC'd with 2 OC'd GTX 580 video cards (The Betty)
i7 2700K OC'd (my team competition folder, White Ranger)
i7 3770K (eventually OC'd) with an OC'd GTX 560Ti (Muzzle Flash)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Slave Driver)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Red Devil)
E5500 desktop (I don't know why I fold with it anymore, it only does about 2-3k PPD a day).
Dual Xeon server
An older Dual Xeon server
Single Xeon server
For me, it's all about the PPD. I'm just not seeing anything in Haswell that is signaling to me that it will be worth it to go out and drop a grand or two on a new motherboard, CPU, heatsink and what ever just to get 5-15% more STOCK performance, with a questionable limit to total overclocking.

sell me your farm.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Given what I Fold with, I do have a SLIGHT concern for lower power (because my electric bill for Folding is a nightmare), but I will gladly trade lower power consumption for performance.
Here is my "Folding Farm" as it stands right now:
i7 965EE OC'd with 2 OC'd GTX 580 video cards (The Betty)
i7 2700K OC'd (my team competition folder, White Ranger)
i7 3770K (eventually OC'd) with an OC'd GTX 560Ti (Muzzle Flash)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Slave Driver)
i5 2500K OC'd with an OC'd GTX 560 Ti (Red Devil)
E5500 desktop (I don't know why I fold with it anymore, it only does about 2-3k PPD a day).
Dual Xeon server
An older Dual Xeon server
Single Xeon server
For me, it's all about the PPD. I'm just not seeing anything in Haswell that is signaling to me that it will be worth it to go out and drop a grand or two on a new motherboard, CPU, heatsink and what ever just to get 5-15% more STOCK performance, with a questionable limit to total overclocking.

Cool! Guess it would be cool to have a PC farm like that rolleyes.gif But I wouldn't dare, because of the insane electric prices we got here, check it out US vs Denmark, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing biggrin.gif
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Well, tbh, just got rid of my 930. Pointless, but sometimes you just got those upgrade urges. I think if you buy any recent i7, it's going to last for a good while. Haswell doesn't seem like a huge performance bump anyway.

Haswell actually looks really good. The performance boost with a revamped architecture at 22nm will be really nice.

sXNCm.png
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Haswell actually looks really good. The performance boost with a revamped architecture at 22nm will be really nice.
sXNCm.png

Do they have a version of that chart that shows Ivy Bridge in it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Haswell will have some improvements over Ivy, but it's interesting that they show 1st Gen, 2nd Gen, and 4th Gen, but skip the 3rd Gen. Makes we wonder (again, I'm too lazy to go look up all the metrics for 3rd Gen) why it was intentionally left out of that chart.

[Edit]

Not sure what site you got that graphic from. I did find something similar on this site, and while it isn't the same, I do find it "odd" that even this site (I'm guessing is Intel graphics handed to them) that them leaving out Ivy Bridge was intentional.

Intel's Haswell Architecture Analyzed: Building a New PC and a New Intel
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Do they have a version of that chart that shows Ivy Bridge in it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Haswell will have some improvements over Ivy, but it's interesting that they show 1st Gen, 2nd Gen, and 4th Gen, but skip the 3rd Gen. Makes we wonder (again, I'm too lazy to go look up all the metrics for 3rd Gen) why it was intentionally left out of that chart.
Ivy Bridge is the same as Sandy Bridge, just with the 56 bit wide allocation queue that Haswell also has.

It was left out because Ivy Bridge isn't a tock.
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Ivy Bridge is the same as Sandy Bridge, just with the 56 bit wide allocation queue that Haswell also has.
It was left out because Ivy Bridge isn't a tock.

Good to know.

Still, I'd be interested to see how the Ivy's "Tick" compares to the Haswell's "Tock" ... in other benchmarks.
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