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You mean 3960X and 3970X not worth so much money over 3930K???
I don't know exactly performanse difference, 3930K offer six cores and 4.6-4.8GHz OC.
Preaty easy on 4.5GHz. Intel Six Core on 4.5GHz is beast, every model.
Especially if you want to buy CPU for gaming with one or two graphic cards.
Than 3930K is absolutelly enough... but for multi graphic cards...
Usually people buy one CPU and change two graphics on that CPU...
Edited by Vlada011 - 12/14/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Vlada011 View Post

You mean 3960X and 3970X not worth so much money over 3930K???
I don't know exactly performanse difference, 3930K offer six cores and 4.6-4.8GHz OC.
Preaty easy on 4.5GHz. Intel Six Core on 4.5GHz is beast, every model.
Especially if you want to buy CPU for gaming with one or two graphic cards.
Than 3930K is absolutelly enough... but for multi graphic cards...
Usually people buy one CPU and change two graphics on that CPU...
With 2 graphics cards there is very little gaming difference between an overclocked 3970x and an overclocked 3570k, because most games only really use 2 cores. If you have more than 2 video cards you may benefit from the extra PCIe lanes on socket 2011, but you don't really need more than a 3820 unless you're using highly threaded CPU heavy programs.
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With 2 graphics cards there is very little gaming difference between an overclocked 3970x and an overclocked 3570k, because most games only really use 2 cores. If you have more than 2 video cards you may benefit from the extra PCIe lanes on socket 2011, but you don't really need more than a 3820 unless you're using highly threaded CPU heavy programs.
false... Most games use 4 cores... most NEW games use up to 8
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false... Most games use 4 cores... most NEW games use up to 8
Using them, and using them correctly are to massively different things. Alot of mainstream games still cannot fully use even 4 cores and if they do, it's poorly optimized. Of course there are a few exceptions but that's games that are using the latest engines, not engines that have just been modified a boat ton since the duel core days.
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now to see IB Extreme
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Seems pretty legit. Still taking it with a grain of salt.
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Wonder how long we will have to wait until we see a 6-core on 115x. First I hoped it will be 1156, then 1155, and still nothing on 1150. Damn you Intel rich bast*rds, do that already. Nothing is stopping you except will to make more money and stop CPU industry from developing as fast. Any i5 is no upgrade for me, my do everything just fine.
u are not going to see Intel increase to 6 cores on mainstream for a while, may be until skylake or further in future. If u check their slides in IDF, it is all about targeting mobile getting the power consumption down. 115x socket moving towards mobile, this means those chip will be design for mobile and port over to desktop "for convenience" because they cannot sell the true desktop socket 201x chips @ mainstream price.
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while i understand that to some mobile or server applications low-power consumption is a high selling point both for battery life, heat generated and electricity bills for folding.
i'm reading all these comments about people in this thread and others complaining about power consumption in GPU's and CPU's and it irks me. This is OCN, and overkill is a standard for most of us. I feel like its contradictory to have someone with 2,3 GPU's and water cooling loops to compare AMD/Nvidia GPU's or AMD/Intel CPU's for power consumption.... really?
in regards to this actual thread, people were raving about ivy power consumption and turns out it runs hotter when overclocked due to the TIM. I'd recommend you guys to hold those power consumption comparisons back until we see overclocked temperatures of Haswell, unless you guys love getting hyped up and crushed in dissapointment later.
just my two cents, im not singling anyone out, it just baffles me and I personally believe that to the 95% of us it doesn't matter. i dont have statistics, but i feel like the majority of OCN falls under the "3-gpu" people. We might not own 3 GPU's and power-hungry rigs, but we certainly want one if the budget was available.
i personally am very happy with my i5-2500k. i haven't overcloked it yet and it has been running the stuff i need it to just fine. i'll upgrade AFTER applications become so heavy that a 4.6 OC doesn't cut it anymore. and based off what i'm doing (non-crysis gaming), that upgrade should come a generation after haswell or late 2014-2015, whichever comes first.
Crazy isint it? these guys complained about how hot Ivy bridge it, how poorly overclock the chip is, poor choice of TIM used etc. THEY seems forgot that overclockers are small players. Intel arent targeting them.

Ivy bridge are working fine @ stock frequency and the temp are ok @ stock. power consumption of these chips are working as designed = lower @ stock.

Haswell 1150 is likely to have just only slightly better Overclockability due to maturing 22nm. Again it is a mobile design chip that port over to desktop.

Want a super chip that design for desktop? take Ivy-E or wait Haswell-E u will get 8 core(Haswell-E) from here b4 the guys @ 115x socket get their 6 core.
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u are not going to see Intel increase to 6 cores on mainstream for a while, may be until skylake or further in future. If u check their slides in IDF, it is all about targeting mobile getting the power consumption down. 115x socket moving towards mobile, this means those chip will be design for mobile and port over to desktop "for convenience" because they cannot sell the true desktop socket 201x chips @ mainstream price.
Crazy isint it? these guys complained about how hot Ivy bridge it, how poorly overclock the chip is, poor choice of TIM used etc. THEY seems forgot that overclockers are small players. Intel arent targeting them.
Ivy bridge are working fine @ stock frequency and the temp are ok @ stock. power consumption of these chips are working as designed = lower @ stock.
Haswell 1150 is likely to have just only slightly better Overclockability due to maturing 22nm. Again it is a mobile design chip that port over to desktop.
Want a super chip that design for desktop? take Ivy-E or wait Haswell-E u will get 8 core(Haswell-E) from here b4 the guys @ 115x socket get their 6 core.

I could see the none K series being the general use chips with poor TIM ect. But the K series is pretty much known for overclocking. I can see it as a mistake in TIM chooses, and I expect that to change with Haswell or maybe another revision?
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It's not a smaller architecture. It's the same processing node with a different architecture.
There's the beefed up iGPU, and the integrated VRMs that will contribute to additional TDP. The architecture itself may be designed to take advantage of the lower processing node and get higher IPC with a higher TDP.

I thought Haswell was going to be a smaller architecture for some weird reason.. It was a very late night when I posted here to be entirely honest.
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 Your correct for not believing it.. it isnt true that Haswell needs more juice. It IS true that TDP is 84W though.. that as stated earlier in this thread - is due to the iGPU on die.. and nothing else.

Oh I see, I just skimmed over the first page late at night. That's interesting then, the only other part that doesn't make me believe it at all is how that everything is the same clockspeed as Ivy Bridge and even very similar to Sandy Bridge.
 
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Oh I see, I just skimmed over the first page late at night. That's interesting then, the only other part that doesn't make me believe it at all is how that everything is the same clockspeed as Ivy Bridge and even very similar to Sandy Bridge.
There's more to TDP than just clock speed, the amount of circuitry, and peak duty cycle of said circuitry goes up. Voltage will probably go down slightly(at stock speeds at least), and clocks will basically stay the same.
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