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I tired it before and it kinda worked.

I just wanted to get the important off and didnt want to spend the high cost of recovering the drive ($700+). RMA helps in getting a replacement drive, but they arent going to recover the data for you.

to everyone else, just backup your important as a priority, and if you can get another HDD for redundancy, then go for it.
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Sorry the video has some personal/work information on it that i will be re-uploading in a bit. redface.gif

I've used it on some half failing drives, meaning if i do a normal file transfer to backup it would either freeze or fail. Freezing it for a few hours or a day would allow me just enough time to get files off of it successfully. Without having to use a software recovery tool.

this particular drive however doesnt even show up in Windows' Device Manager (it does in BIOS) when connected to a working system as a secondary drive, so i'm not sure how successful I will be in this instance. I may need to resort to a USB adapter which may force it to be recognized--but at least i will be able to use it as a PnP drive. Thanks for the discussion!

My guess is also that the cold will "shrink" or contract some of the surfaces, and therefore increasing tolerances. I will be updating later this week (today we had a half day..yay for christmas work party!) thumb.gif

and i cannot reiterate enough everyone should get their stuff backed up, as mentioned. We have a enterprise account with CrashPlan with unlimited space so it's awesome. They offer home backup solutions for 7 dollars a month for UNLIMITED data which is also awesome. well worth it if you need it.

for moisture the desiccant bag is going to be hopefully keeping things for the most part, dry. I've not included it in the past though, so i'm not too concerned.

and you are supposed to perform recovery while it's still cold. Do not wait for it to warm back up to room temp.
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well just to update, it didnt work out. Drive wouldnt even appear in Device Manager, but it did appear in Disk Utility on my iMac at work, however it was unmountable. Drive is as dead as can be. I'll be uploading a video of my findings and discussing the topic a bit, but been busy at work and my editing/gaming rig is at home.
 
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well just to update, it didnt work out. Drive wouldnt even appear in Device Manager, but it did appear in Disk Utility on my iMac at work, however it was unmountable. Drive is as dead as can be. I'll be uploading a video of my findings and discussing the topic a bit, but been busy at work and my editing/gaming rig is at home.

Have you tried running a Linux live disc? =I've had some occasions where they were able to see and access a drive when Windows was not.
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Have you tried running a Linux live disc? =I've had some occasions where they were able to see and access a drive when Windows was not.

I do have a knoppix disc i could try. Will update.

edit: I had a SpinRite bootable CD...it's taking an awful long time to detect mass storage. A bootable CD only does so much if the BIOS has a hard time detecting it (POST takes a minute or two).
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Have you tried running a Linux live disc? =I've had some occasions where they were able to see and access a drive when Windows was not.
This is worth the try. I had a network HDD that refused to do anything, it didn't even spin up eventually. Some googling led me to believe it was a firmware issue, not a mechanical fault. Took it out of its "case", connected with SATA, booted in Ubuntu and there it was. I was able to extract all data off it, and after formatting it now has a second life as a storage drive in my backup system (running windows 7).
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Did this trick also back in the day in my first IT job trying to salvage peoples data of their crappy HP/Compaq/Dell systems that took a dive for whatever reason. 50% of the time it worked to resusitate the drive long enough for me to pull data off it.
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I do have a knoppix disc i could try. Will update.
edit: I had a SpinRite bootable CD...it's taking an awful long time to detect mass storage. A bootable CD only does so much if the BIOS has a hard time detecting it (POST takes a minute or two).

Lol this is true. Thought of this idea because I'm in the middle of setting things up for 1st HDD as os win7/Debian and the second 1TB as storage. now I don't have a transfer cable so going to format first drive into FAT32 then move everything using a live disc, then format the second hdd which has my os on it now and then move everything again. There are also (If it is SATA) cables on ebay that will allow you to plug the hdd in outside of the case and attach as a usb (they were 2$ last time i looked at them) that is another thing that might work as well but with that and the condition of the drive I would still use a linux disc or os to retrieve the info off of it.
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Does anyone know if Cold temperatures have any negative effect on Working Hard disks?
I know this may sound like a stupid question, but this thread got me thinking about it.

I live up in Northern Minnesota, and I run game servers, Teamspeak servers and file servers out of my garage. I have a rack out there with a couple Servers in it.
Each of those servers are loaded up with 4 IDE Hard Drives, that may be idle most of the time (except for the main and the storage drive). The temperatures get pretty cold like the -21 C that we had the other night. Does anyone know if temperatures this low would have a negative effect on my drives or my servers as a whole?
I have done research on the internet about running servers at temps that low, but I didn't get any real answers.

I know the CPUs will be fine with the temps, and probably the main drive (the one always being accessed) stays warm enough just from spinning all the time. But what about the other drives that turn off to save power?

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Does anyone know if Cold temperatures have any negative effect on Working Hard disks?
I know this may sound like a stupid question, but this thread got me thinking about it.
I live up in Northern Minnesota, and I run game servers, Teamspeak servers and file servers out of my garage. I have a rack out there with a couple Servers in it.
Each of those servers are loaded up with 4 IDE Hard Drives, that may be idle most of the time (except for the main and the storage drive). The temperatures get pretty cold like the -21 C that we had the other night. Does anyone know if temperatures this low would have a negative effect on my drives or my servers as a whole?
I have done research on the internet about running servers at temps that low, but I didn't get any real answers.
I know the CPUs will be fine with the temps, and probably the main drive (the one always being accessed) stays warm enough just from spinning all the time. But what about the other drives that turn off to save power?
Thanks,
Mast3rRoot

Too cold for the drives that are running, but it should be OK for drives that are in "cold" storage (no pun intended)

Taking the WD Black spec sheet for example, operating temperature is minimum 0. It doesnt mean it'll fail at lower temps, but they simply weren't designed to run at anything under. Expect decreased life.

See: http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-701276.pdf
 
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