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AMD has historically remained quiet about server chips until they get close to launch It's mostly the desktop processors they talk about with the server products not making news until much closer to launch.

Close to launch is still usually many months ahead of time....

OEMs and companies have to plan their upgrades months to years in advanced.
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Atoms themselves are actually decent x86 cores. Intel has done virtually nothing to the microarchitecture so far and they are comparable to AMD E-350 released 2-3 years later!

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point. In absolute terms, Atom cores are extremely weak. They're not even an out of order design. They're painful to do anything on, and you can't blame that all on a lack of GPU acceleration or an old chipset.
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lol, that is all.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point. In absolute terms, Atom cores are extremely weak. They're not even an out of order design. They're painful to do anything on, and you can't blame that all on a lack of GPU acceleration or an old chipset.

There are no absolutes.... performance is always has some cost so its all relative. For example, one Atom core beats 2x ARM Cortex-A9: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/12

OOE was on purpose to lower power consumption.... ARM CPUs are not fully OOE either for the same reason.

They're not painful if applied to the right workloads. For example, Mozilla uses SeaMicro Atom servers and have stated they had great success. I'm running an Untangle router using a D2700.... and it's overpowered. You see Atoms in plenty of industrial designs.
Edited by DuckieHo - 12/12/12 at 12:06pm
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Lol waiting for someone to say "It's things like this why we can't have nice things."

On topic: I can see AMD doing this, I think they've significantly grown in the microserver aspect of it all. Personally, I hope that they get better with the micro processors. At this state, they're good, but AMD needs something great to save its' own hind from being hit by the door.

As far as ATi goes, I'm not sure which side grosses more revenue. To me, it seems that ATi inherits most revenue, but there's NO way that AMD is hanging on by a "thread" (ATi in this particular case.) Point being, AMD would not exist right now if ATi had more say / had more clout than AMD, so I know AMD has something it wants or is going to do. Lets hope this all pans out to some super good micro processors. I want to see more robust GPU APU stuff, as I see that as our future.

EDIT: I wanted to put in this tidbit of information regarding AMD's sales.... Most of the people here are representing the more major areas of the world, Europe, UK, United States etc... But where I believe AMD's true strength is its' ability to reason with the rest of the world. If I had to say, I would say that AMD's processors might look VERY attractive to someone living in an area where computing is still somewhat new...
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Lol waiting for someone to say "It's things like this why we can't have nice things."
On topic: I can see AMD doing this, I think they've significantly grown in the microserver aspect of it all. Personally, I hope that they get better with the micro processors. At this state, they're good, but AMD needs something great to save its' own hind from being hit by the door.
AMD microservers today are running with Intel Atom CPUs.

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As far as ATi goes, I'm not sure which side grosses more revenue. To me, it seems that ATi inherits most revenue, but there's NO way that AMD is hanging on by a "thread" (ATi in this particular case.) Point being, AMD would not exist right now if ATi had more say / had more clout than AMD, so I know AMD has something it wants or is going to do. Lets hope this all pans out to some super good micro processors. I want to see more robust GPU APU stuff, as I see that as our future.
AMD is hurting bad.... they made huge order cancels and sold off property to defer expenses.
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EDIT: I wanted to put in this tidbit of information regarding AMD's sales.... Most of the people here are representing the more major areas of the world, Europe, UK, United States etc... But where I believe AMD's true strength is its' ability to reason with the rest of the world. If I had to say, I would say that AMD's processors might look VERY attractive to someone living in an area where computing is still somewhat new...
Except AMD does not have as strong of a distribution chain as Intel. Nor is AMD's marketing or technical support staff is as large. (i.e. Intel has software developers who will come to companies to help optimize code for their CPUs.) Intel had the money to invest in developing nations as well.
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Pot meet kettle.

Just keep steamrolling your way to another disapointment in 2014.

EDIT: The email got better and better as I read it. Now, I'm no fanboy on either side, I've had my share of products from both sides. But this whole thing just sounds rediculous coming from a company that is barely keeping its head above water and having record losses. How about you fix your business model, AMD.
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People are actually not realising there is a little background to this.

Basically,Intel had a little falling out with Seamicro which AMD bought:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401344,00.asp

Edit!!

To put it blankly,that Intel employee just fired her mouth off first.
Edited by DASMOOSE - 12/12/12 at 1:06pm
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Just keep steamrolling your way to another disapointment in 2014.

I see what you did there...
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Close to launch is still usually many months ahead of time....
OEMs and companies have to plan their upgrades months to years in advanced.

Jaguar is still a few months away. The first stepping (and often the second too) of a chip is commonly used only for consumer chips (it takes time to and a little trial and error to correct all the errata that a company can't have in a pro-grade chip). If a given stepping is three months, this still gives perhaps 10+ months before a hard launch of a server-grade Jaguar processor. If AMD wanted the chip to be a SeaMicro exclusive, then there's not much reason to announce such a chip until much closer to launch than usual.
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