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Pot meet kettle.
Just keep steamrolling your way to another disapointment in 2014.
Stupid pun. Only shows how little you've read on Steamroller.
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I still don't know, maybe the AMD defenders can fill me in.

Less than what, and later than who?
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Its all a spat between certain arms of Intel and AMD.

Intel had a close relationshop with SeaMicro and even made them custom CPUs with two PCI-E controllers or something like that. Intel PR even went on how good the relationship was.

However,then AMD bought Seamicro this year,which is quite possible Intel did not anticipate.

A higher up in the Intel server division,then said Seamicro tech was crap just after the news was announced.

Seamicro fired back.

Thats all it is.

If the Intel higher up,had just acted professionally,none of this would have happened.
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I still don't know, maybe the AMD defenders can fill me in.
Less than what, and later than who?

Let's hope they read the article first. wink.gif
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It is surprising that AMD would call Intel's micro server processor, a 64-bit variant of its Atom chip "too little, too late," when AMD does not have a comparable processor at this time itself. SeaMicro GM Andrew Feldman has been very vocal about the fact that Intel did not exactly support him in using Atom processors for his servers, but it is a fact that AMD has bought itself (probably too late) into the ARM market and will not have commercial ARM 64-bit processors in volume shipments available prior to the end of next year.

Of course, it is silly to ridicule Intel for having little to no market share in smartphones and tablets. How much market share does AMD have? Does it make sense to accuse Intel of being behind on small cores? Intel surely has to prove that it can trump ARM architecture in ultra-compact devices, but AMD is the wrong company to make that accusation, as it has little to show for in these markets. And let's not forget that it was this kind of attitude that sent the company near bankruptcy back in 2006/2007. If you provoke Intel, you better have the technology to back it up.
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This is just a stab at Intel's, um, plausibility, of not improving core architecture so much as simply using fabrication to make smaller, more power efficient processors.

Use thousands of Atoms in the floor space of hundreds of Opterons, I'm not sure who's more trendy by all means.

The only advantage Intel has right now is x64. Qualcomm is so far ahead of these two in this department, it's not even funny, and even Samsung could do this.
    
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AMD, you're about 6 years too late. Sorry.redface.gif
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Wellll.... I guess this is starting to become the fanboyism I expected. Of course Intel can do what they want, but from what I'm seeing, this whole article is false regardless. I'm not sure how many of you people out there actually think that all these news articles are real...
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Yeah, Zacate is actually usable..All the Atoms I've tried have been piles of crap.
Mind you, I haven't tried any with the newest chipset (NM10 I believe) and that should go a long way to improving the Atom.
Yeah, most of the issues was due to the GPU.

The CPU is also pretty slow, it's equal in IPC to a P4 iirc.
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Honestly, considering the Atoms I've used have been at 100% usage near constantly just from browsing the web, etc
No GPU off loading.

And the CPU being weak. Even when I had GPGPU disabled on an C-50 it felt just as faster as Atom despite the much lower clockspeed.
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What about GPGPU? I'd imagine that a iGPU such as those on Bobcat would have some uses, admittedly way less than a Tesla.
Small and seperate IGPs are no good for GPGPU without a more standard API or platform. There's no easy way to write a program that will utilize those GPUs well. You would have to write distributed/scalable code to access all the cores.... and from the cores access the GPU... while managing memory and data. It's way too hard when there are not that many developers even into GPGPU yet.

Fair enough, I thought that'd have something to do with it.
    
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I just stumbled across an article from almost 2 years ago where Intel is talking microservers and even about this atom part.
http://hothardware.com/m/News/Intel-Announces-New-Micro-Server-Products-Discusses-Xeons-Future/Default.aspx
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The CPU is also pretty slow, it's equal in IPC to a P4 iirc.
CPU performance doesn't really matter here... it's performance/watt.

The Atom at 2GHz is faster than any dual-core 1.5GHz ARM CPU.... but most people feel that a dual-core ARM CPU is more than usable, right?

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And the CPU being weak. Even when I had GPGPU disabled on an C-50 it felt just as faster as Atom despite the much lower clockspeed.
How would you disable GPGPU?

A 1GHz C-50 is definitely slower than a 1.8GHz Atom though.
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