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Let's see.. AMD is sinking like the Titanic and is also Intel's biggest competitor, but we're supposed to think anything they say about Intel is unbiased and true.
Right.

Intel's biggest competitor is ARM and their backers... not AMD...
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Intel's biggest competitor is ARM and their backers... not AMD...

Well that's a recent occurrence, and there's no point in arguing semantics. Just replace "biggest" with "big" (while obviously adjusting the rest of the sentence to be grammatically correct), and it changes nothing as to the point I was making. There's bias and personal interest oozing from this "story".
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post #83 of 94
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Well that's a recent occurrence, and there's no point in arguing semantics. Just replace "biggest" with "big" (while obviously adjusting the rest of the sentence to be grammatically correct), and it changes nothing as to the point I was making. There's bias and personal interest oozing from this "story".

Well... it was NVIDIA before ARM.... then it was AMD. tongue.gif
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The CPU is also pretty slow, it's equal in IPC to a P4 iirc.
CPU performance doesn't really matter here... it's performance/watt.

The Atom at 2GHz is faster than any dual-core 1.5GHz ARM CPU.... but most people feel that a dual-core ARM CPU is more than usable, right?

True, I guess it depends on the load. I imagine if I'd really worked on it, Linux would have at least been usable on an Atom. (My friend went from an Atom 330 to an Athlon64 3500+ and was literally amazed at how much more usable a 8 year old single core is than the dual core Atom.
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And the CPU being weak. Even when I had GPGPU disabled on an C-50 it felt just as faster as Atom despite the much lower clockspeed.
How would you disable GPGPU?

A 1GHz C-50 is definitely slower than a 1.8GHz Atom though.

In Firefox, it has the option to not use GPU acceleration, I'm not sure if it fully disables it but it certainly disables it for rendering fonts among other things. Alternatively, you can uninstall the official drivers and use the stock MS ones.

The ones I've used were all the 1.6Ghz models, it may have been a C-60. All I know is it was a $200 laptop I was repairing.
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Honestly, it's been a bit of a miracle that Piledriver arrived on time. AMD has a rather long history of slipping launch dates.

Not really, Piledriver is what I'm guessing AMD originally wanted to launch BD as, but they didn't want to delay again, hence why it actually came out in time to compete with Intel.
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Let's see.. AMD is sinking like the Titanic and is also Intel's biggest competitor, but we're supposed to think anything they say about Intel is unbiased and true.

Right.

Actually, AMD is gaining performance faster than Intel (Hence why they went from being definitely behind in the mainstream segment and only being good for budget chips to competing with the i5 in CPU intensive stuff) and is also drastically reducing their debt. Intel hasn't really classed AMD as a competitor even before the Athlon64, as they've always had most of the marketshare thanks to either having better chips or paying off OEMs when they don't.
Edited by Brutuz - 12/14/12 at 6:31am
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post #85 of 94
Too many Intel fanboys in this thread. AMD's right on this one.
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Too many Intel fanboys in this thread. AMD's right on this one.


...based on what?

Did you read the article author's comments or check the market reality?

Microservers are a new paradigm that is only 1-3 years old. All of them run on Atoms and a few on ARMs. What does AMD have to show in this market? Again, AMD is selling Intel Atom microservers today.

Go here: http://www.seamicro.com/products/sm15K_overview
Look at the upper left, you will see AMD's logo.
Then look at the configurations.


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In Firefox, it has the option to not use GPU acceleration, I'm not sure if it fully disables it but it certainly disables it for rendering fonts among other things. Alternatively, you can uninstall the official drivers and use the stock MS ones.
What OS? Vista onward uses GPU for acceleration as well.

I still have a 1st gen netbook myself .... I monitor resources.... disk I/O and latency are mostly NOT the CPU's fault.
Edited by DuckieHo - 12/14/12 at 6:54am
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post #87 of 94
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In Firefox, it has the option to not use GPU acceleration, I'm not sure if it fully disables it but it certainly disables it for rendering fonts among other things. Alternatively, you can uninstall the official drivers and use the stock MS ones.
What OS? Vista onward uses GPU for acceleration as well.

I still have a 1st gen netbook myself .... I monitor resources.... disk I/O and latency are mostly NOT the CPU's fault.

XP and Linux.

And yes, I checked all of that. It was even noticeably slow on Puppy Linux being ran from RAM, but like I said, I hazard a guess that if I tried one of the newer Atoms I'd have a much better experience.
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A few points to keep in mind while participating in the press conference and writing your stories tomorrow:

- The original SeaMicro SM10000 server used Intel’s Atom processor, but Intel was not supportive of this. For years, the company fought SeaMicro on their choice of processor.

- Almost two years ago, Intel had a 64-bit, dual-core Atom processor part made for SeaMicro, but this processor was not promoted by Intel.

- Intel has insisted for years that micro servers not be more than 10 percent of the market. Are they back-peddling?
This bit was interesting. I need to read up a bit on intel-seamicro-amd.
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Yeah and bulldozer is the best thing since sliced bread. rolleyes.gif
LOL reply #1 in an amd/intel thread brings up bulldozer
Next time it should be "Oh yea!? Well,... BULLDOZER!!!!1!"
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Hah like they can make anything that can compete with core i7. their flagship can barely stand up to a core i5 running a whole GHz slower while consuming 60% the watt. what a joke amd; desperate for attention.

AMD should just keep their mouth close after the embarrassment that is Bulldozer and the fact that neither do they have anything to compete with ARM or any marketshare in tablet/smartphone either.
Even though Intel is behind in mobile devices, at least they got Desktop and Notebook right.
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After the disaster of Bulldozer I don't think they should be talking smack to anyone.
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