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Having a broadband, Sat not counting, connection is HUGE when a home is being bought or sold these days!

So true.

My family is in real estate and also has rental property. The first thing people ask is if utilities are included, and the second, always, is does it have high speed internet available.
 
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So true.
My family is in real estate and also has rental property. The first thing people ask is if utilities are included, and the second, always, is does it have high speed internet available.

Yup. I bought my last house based PARTLY on the fact that it had high speed available. There was one place I was looking at that I flat out ruled out because it didn't have it available.

But then again, I'm an IT Professional, and it is pretty much required. Some people may not have a need for that, but those are becoming less and less as time goes on.
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Yup. I bought my last house based PARTLY on the fact that it had high speed available. There was one place I was looking at that I flat out ruled out because it didn't have it available.
But then again, I'm an IT Professional, and it is pretty much required. Some people may not have a need for that, but those are becoming less and less as time goes on.
Luckily when I bought my house, Brighthouse served the area. RR Lightning (40MBPS) is very nice indeed. Plus the 5MBPS upload is great when accessing stuff on the go. smile.gif
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No city state or government subsidies. Seriously did you guys just zombie out in Econ? Where does that money come from? YOU. You get taxed to pay these checks to company's. leave the damn free market alone. It works great on its own.

Contrary to popular belief government doesn't make money out thin air it's barrowed or taxed.

If google wants to build a massive infrastructure let them find investment groups not just take millions of everyone's money for your own personal gain.
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Google won't be allowed to roll Fiber out in most large cities. Bet your ass the local subsidized companies will fight tooth and nail to keep Google out because the free option of Google Fiber beats the hell out of most ISPs in the country.
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No city state or government subsidies. Seriously did you guys just zombie out in Econ? Where does that money come from? YOU. You get taxed to pay these checks to company's. leave the damn free market alone. It works great on its own.
Contrary to popular belief government doesn't make money out thin air it's barrowed or taxed.
If google wants to build a massive infrastructure let them find investment groups not just take millions of everyone's money for your own personal gain.

I think most people are perfectly fine having their tax dollars going toward something that can directly benefit them.

Just because it comes from taxes, doesn't necessarily mean it's evil. Get over it.
 
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I think most people are perfectly fine having their tax dollars going toward something that can directly benefit them.
Just because it comes from taxes, doesn't necessarily mean it's evil. Get over it.

My take on it, infrastructure overall is that the best way to keep it running is to keep the infrastructure state owned with laws keeping the cost at well cost. Theres no way you can have true competition if Company A decides to not got to city x because company b is already there and the population is to small to support both of them. This goes for shared infrastructure too, one company jacks up the rates and the other ones are thrown out of the game. The situation is simple, companies don't compete, they claim land much like in the goldrush.
 
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I have 35/6 cable. No FiOS in my area like there is in Seattle. I could use Google Fibre, I could utilize any servers I get.

Isn't really any in Seattle either tongue.gif. At least not where I've been or know people. Comcast goes up to 100mbit if you're in a good spot... although it is pricey.
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Chances of Google Fiber in central New York......... Almost zero frown.gif

Time Warner is everywhere here. It's almost like they own the state! I can't imagine Google ever being allowed to build a single piece of infrastructure where Time Warner has a stake in things. I hope to god this changes though.

Am I crazy for thinking we should have a national petition to upgrade our telcom infrastructure? Just a though, please don't flame me...
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My take on it, infrastructure overall is that the best way to keep it running is to keep the infrastructure state owned with laws keeping the cost at well cost. Theres no way you can have true competition if Company A decides to not got to city x because company b is already there and the population is to small to support both of them. This goes for shared infrastructure too, one company jacks up the rates and the other ones are thrown out of the game. The situation is simple, companies don't compete, they claim land much like in the goldrush.
That might work for small towns, but there are several flaws to that logic.
1. Competition drives innovation and leads to progress. Having a large city run soley on a muni network might be good at the start, since it would likely be better that what is currently available, but it wouldn't ever get upgraded when the need arises.
2. Muni networks would be good for small towns where the ROI isn't good enough for a large ISP to invest in it, however you still end up with large ISPs blocking the muni networks, even in places they don't provide service to already.
for example, Current washington state law does not allow ports or public utility districts to sell access to their lines directly to the public, and most ISPs that spring up on these lines are too small to expand and often end up consolidating into one as they all go out of business.
Last year the state was looking at a bill, HB1711, which would amend the law and allow PUDs and ports to sell access in areas where they have lines and there are no services offered already. The bill didnt go through because there wasnt enough push and too much opposition from big ISPs.
Obviously, big ISPs have a right to be worried about not being able to compete with Muni networks, since they are not-for-profit, but its even harder to compete with it if you don't offer service to begin with, now isn't it?

Wanna know why i know all this? There is a PUD owned Fiber Optic line 150ft from my front door, but because of current state law, im still stuck with 1.3mb/s on centurylink sozo.gif
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