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post #61 of 121
$70 billion could get the first half of the project done. google could get this done in a few years if they teamed up with a larger cable provider. half the city's in the us, then after they prophet they can finish the other half.
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I wonder if this report took into account that Google has been buying fiber all over the country for years

Source: m.aol.com/dailyfinance/default/articleStory.do?category=main&url=http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/02/10/googles-ultra-fast-broadband-plan-puts-u-s-isps-on-notice/&icid=dsk_df_news
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Originally Posted by derek2esilent View Post

I wonder if this report took into account that Google has been buying fiber all over the country for years
Source: m.aol.com/dailyfinance/default/articleStory.do?category=main&url=http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/02/10/googles-ultra-fast-broadband-plan-puts-u-s-isps-on-notice/&icid=dsk_df_news

I'm sure it has.

And for the record, Google hasn't been buying up anywhere near enough "dark fiber" to do a nation wide project like it would take.

By all accounts, Google owns less than 4000 miles of "dark fiber". It will take many, MANY, times that in order to make a 1gbit/sec nationwide dream a reality.
post #64 of 121
Something to note.....

I guarantee that this $140 Billion estimate for a "Full roll out", isn't covering the entire U.S., just the major cities and populace areas across the nation. To truly bring these services to the vast majority of the nation, rural to suburban, would be in the Trillions. In another thread about Google Fiber I brought in some basic math, with the current known averages on building the infrastructure. If I remember correctly it was something close to $7 Trillion.

That number bring services to almost all the U.S.
    
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That's the way I see it for now. It's awesome that Google is entertaining the idea of becoming an ISP, but the cost of covering the nation in fiber optic will be astronomical. So either, A: they can get a huge group of investors, or B: they will need massive subsidies from the government to convert our entire country to fiber optic.
I'm okay with plan B. Subsidizing improvements in infrastructure improve the country as a whole, while other subsidies may only target specific groups. IMO, our country doesn't need 1Gb/s to each doorstep, but anything less than 10Mb/s in this day and age is simply too slow for a family of 4 consuming large amounts of media (YouTube, Netflix, etc...). Current ISPs have the majority of markets monopolized, and some healthy competition would help us all.

And the traditional ISP's will kick and drag their feet screaming along the way.
post #66 of 121
Well they either upgraded to keep up or let google have the only large fiber network that beat the prices on their cat5 internet.
post #67 of 121
AT&T just announced a couple weeks ago that they will be investing $40,000,000,000 billion to bring FTTP (Fiber To The Premises) instead of their U-verse service being mostly FTTN (Fiber To The Node) which is what cable companies do as well. Although this will be rolling out to the west first starting most likely with Los Angeles. I don't know where I read the article at unfortunately but I know for a fact that its true as I'm a U-verse Tech thumb.gif
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Can't be bothered to read through 7 pages, but I'm wondering...if Google used a model similar to OpenReach here in the UK, where the pure fibre (FTTH/FTTP) and hybrid fibre/copper (FTT-Cabinet) serves as a platform for other ISPs to use, Google wouldn't have to spend money on customer services.

They would simply talk to their client ISPs to arrange installations into people's homes, handle repairs and pass the costs onto the client ISPs. To me that would lower their costs by a fair whack.
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Can't be bothered to read through 7 pages, but I'm wondering...if Google used a model similar to OpenReach here in the UK, where the pure fibre (FTTH/FTTP) and hybrid fibre/copper (FTT-Cabinet) serves as a platform for other ISPs to use, Google wouldn't have to spend money on customer services.
They would simply talk to their client ISPs to arrange installations into people's homes, handle repairs and pass the costs onto the client ISPs. To me that would lower their costs by a fair whack.

Laying fiber in the UK isn't exactly the statistical nightmare it is in the US.

Your issue isn't one of use, it's a much more complicated issue of Unions, state vs. state laws in regards to workers...It becomes a giant mess.

Kansas was chosen for multiple reasons and above and beyond everything else, Kansas actually has some of the cheapest road labor, available.

So ultimately, Kansas is the cheapest...Think of what NYC would cost...Connecticut...California...

You're not talking about running wires on a pole because that's not how you run GB lines, you're talking about tearing up roads, etc to "lay pipe"...
post #70 of 121
@masked

heh, I suppose that's the advantage of having a privatised former state-owned incumbent tongue.gif. An interesting point you make about NYC: over here in the UK there was a company who hit on the idea of running fibre optic lines places like sewers and train tunnels.

Could Google (or any other company) not do the same? Or work with existing phone companies to blow fibre along their existing ducting? I get your point about the state laws and the unions though, those things were designed to be an imperial PITA.
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