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how about they make it dual slot? they do want to compete with the 690 right?

The card consumes significantly more power, and thus needs to dissipate considerably more heat than a GTX 690; a dual slot cooler wouldn't do too well.

Also, this card almost certainly has more practical OCing potential than a 690.
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The frack is wrong with 3-sluts heat sink?
2 is enough. Even one can do the job. Herm

No.
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I don't get the issues with it being triple slot. I mean don't go pretending like you would buy two of them.

If I swapped CPU coolers (mine blocks my first PCI-E 16x slot) I could install two of these and still have a full slot gap between them...
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The same 590 that beats the 6990, is half as loud, consumes less power, is smaller and doesn't suffer from terrible microstutter?
And yes, they OC just fine if you put the time into it. Percentage wise they're about the same as the 690 when it comes to OCing...

The same GTX 590 that catches on fire, runs insanely hot, died at stock, and has weak VRMs that caused it to die on many reviewers. Yes, supposedly Nvidia fixed the VRM issue, but I've still seen people have issues post fix. And where did I even mention the 6990? If I were to recommend a dual GPU solution last gen, I would have recommended a pair of GTX 580s because of the 590 issues and the issues I saw with the 6990. No need to turn it into an AMD/Nvidia flame fest.

All I was saying is that the GTX 690 is definitely better designed than the GTX 590, but it's still not the engineering marvel that some in this thread are portraying it as.

Now can we get back on topic?
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No.

Have you said no?

No?

Okay, no.

I like this word, very negative and all.
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The same 590 that beats the 6990, is half as loud, consumes less power, is smaller and doesn't suffer from terrible microstutter?
And yes, they OC just fine if you put the time into it. Percentage wise they're about the same as the 690 when it comes to OCing...

rolleyes.gif


My good friend had two 590's. I've had three 580's. (tested and returned them) Then I wound up buying and keeping twin 6990's after extensive testing. I mean we tested the hell out of all of them in surround, eyefinity and on a 30" @ 2560x1600. Speaking from that experience and the results it produced, the 590 is not a better card than the 6990.
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The same GTX 590 that catches on fire, runs insanely hot, died at stock, and has weak VRMs that caused it to die on many reviewers. Yes, supposedly Nvidia fixed the VRM issue, but I've still seen people have issues post fix. And where did I even mention the 6990? If I were to recommend a dual GPU solution last gen, I would have recommended a pair of GTX 580s because of the 590 issues and the issues I saw with the 6990. No need to turn it into an AMD/Nvidia flame fest.
All I was saying is that the GTX 690 is definitely better designed than the GTX 590, but it's still not the engineering marvel that some in this thread are portraying it as.
Now can we get back on topic?

The 590 and the 6990 were competitors so that's the GPU the 590 should be compared against, not 580s... those would have been 300$ more expensive. Dual GPU cards are different beasts than multi GPU setups.

Oh and yes, that 590, no retail mass deaths were ever reported, a single sample died with an average overclock (sweclockers) and another one at absurd voltages due to MSI afterburner allowing 0.3v over stock which is absurd. And the others that died were also because of no protection whatsoever right after the launch, meaning a press driver problem.

Anyone who followed the card's launch and the weeks after that knows that yes the VRMs could be better but the press reaction was overblown, no proof of anything affecting lots of users ever got published, that the thing can be clocked high on proper cooling and a bit of tweaking. The point is, the card aged really well, edged out its competitor and did so while offering a better experience overall. The people who think it was a fail usually just read a few articles and didn't look more into it. And the much hated voltage locks (bios still works, and only later drivers have locks) became the norm with kepler even to a bigger degree.

and yes /OT tongue.gif
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The same GTX 590 that catches on fire, runs insanely hot, died at stock, and has weak VRMs that caused it to die on many reviewers. Yes, supposedly Nvidia fixed the VRM issue, but I've still seen people have issues post fix. And where did I even mention the 6990? If I were to recommend a dual GPU solution last gen, I would have recommended a pair of GTX 580s because of the 590 issues and the issues I saw with the 6990. No need to turn it into an AMD/Nvidia flame fest.
All I was saying is that the GTX 690 is definitely better designed than the GTX 590, but it's still not the engineering marvel that some in this thread are portraying it as.
Now can we get back on topic?

I think the 590 turned out to be an ok card but man those reviews with them all blowing up was just embarassing. Card will never live that down.

I mean seriously 8 review samples die? I didn't even know it was that many.
    
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The same 590 that beats the 6990, is half as loud, consumes less power, is smaller and doesn't suffer from terrible microstutter?
And yes, they OC just fine if you put the time into it. Percentage wise they're about the same as the 690 when it comes to OCing...

At least 6990 doesnt burn
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The 590 and the 6990 were competitors so that's the GPU the 590 should be compared against, not 580s... those would have been 300$ more expensive. Dual GPU cards are different beasts than multi GPU setups.
Oh and yes, that 590, no retail mass deaths were ever reported, a single sample died with an average overclock (sweclockers) and another one at absurd voltages due to MSI afterburner allowing 0.3v over stock which is absurd. And the others that died were also because of no protection whatsoever right after the launch, meaning a press driver problem.
Anyone who followed the card's launch and the weeks after that knows that yes the VRMs could be better but the press reaction was overblown, no proof of anything affecting lots of users ever got published, that the thing can be clocked high on proper cooling and a bit of tweaking. The point is, the card aged really well, edged out its competitor and did so while offering a better experience overall. The people who think it was a fail usually just read a few articles and didn't look more into it. And the much hated voltage locks (bios still works, and only later drivers have locks) became the norm with kepler even to a bigger degree.
and yes /OT tongue.gif

Please read what I wrote. Again, I WAS NEVER MAKING A COMPARISON ABOUT PAST CARDS. I was comparing the build quality of the GTX 690 to the build quality of the GTX 590. There was no reason to bring up the 6990. There is no denying that the GTX 690 is a better designed card than the GTX 590. All I was saying (again) is that the GTX 690 is better engineered than their last high end card, but I wouldn't call it an engineering marvel.

And there have been a ton of reports of the card randomly dying on people. Aside from the one link I gave you already, here are a few more: VRM died, caught fire, system instability from dying card, two dead in a row. I've seen quite a few folders have them die on them as well. The VRM was poorly designed and issues continued even after launch. The GTX 590 was just a poorly designed card that couldn't handle any kind of voltage increase and has a penchant for dying if you keep it under stress. Yes, it got better, but it was by no means solved.

Back on topic since I keep on getting dragged off topic.

Is this card different in any way than the PowerColor other than the color and sticker theme? Or is it just a rebadge?
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stupid double posts

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The frack is wrong with 3-sluts heat sink?

three what? wth.gif
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The same 590 that beats the 6990, is half as loud, consumes less power, is smaller and doesn't suffer from terrible microstutter?

And yes, they OC just fine if you put the time into it. Percentage wise they're about the same as the 690 when it comes to OCing...

the dual version of a much stronger card that was equal or slower half the year, has design flaws and always consumed more power. the 6990 was a loud, hot mess, but it's nobody's place to rewrite history when it comes to the 590.
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