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That may be a common misconception - but they're actually faster in nearly every situation. They're also neck and neck in gaming. It's not crazy either. The Phenom II 965 was AMD's top gun in 2009, now their lower end CPU's compete with there top of the line 3 years ago.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=102
I also doubt you'd be able to find a BNIB Phenom II X4 (965/975) for much cheaper than $120 considering I see the 955 sell for $100 all the time. Even if you could find a Phenom II 965 for $30 cheaper i'd spend the extra $30 and go with the APU. You'd have the same performance but more features and sensible upgrade path. Steamrollers been pushed back so all AM3+ will see is Vishera 2.0.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/382798/Phenom_II_X6_1045T_27GHz_Six_Core_Socket_AM3_Boxed_Processor $89.99 at the moment. may be a viable option for the OP?

Please bear in mind im from the UK so i have no idea with american prices really

also, if the OP does not mind refurb's
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SABERTOOTH-990FX-PB-R&cat=MBB

Lots of people on OCN have bought boards from here, including myself now.
Edited by Noctizzle - 12/13/12 at 1:10am
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http://www.microcenter.com/product/382798/Phenom_II_X6_1045T_27GHz_Six_Core_Socket_AM3_Boxed_Processor $89.99 at the moment. may be a viable option for the OP?
Please bear in mind im from the UK so i have no idea with american prices really

I'm not trying to say it's not a viable option - but I would say that APU's shouldn't be ruled out. People think they're slower than the Phenom II X4's because their AMD's lower end CPU's (APU) but they're neck and neck with the Phenom II's. They also offering impressive integrated graphics, an on-chip Northbridge, fully integrated USB 3.0/SATA 6GB/s controllers and again an upgrade path for an HSA compatible processor. Graphics + CPU + ARM CPU on die = WIN.



And just a note - Microcenters prices are in store only. You can expect them to be $20+ more online. I don't know about UK prices.
Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 12/13/12 at 1:14am
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I'm not trying to say it's not a viable option - but I would say that APU's shouldn't be ruled out. People think they're slower than the Phenom II X4's because their AMD's lower end CPU's (APU) but they're neck and neck with the Phenom II's. They also offering impressive integrated graphics, an on-chip Northbridge, fully integrated USB 3.0/SATA 6GB/s controllers and again an upgrade path for an HSA compatible processor. Graphics + CPU + ARM CPU on die = WIN.

ok yes, but for the same / cheaper price, he can get an HD7870 Which beats the 6670CF . THe APU option is only decent if he wants to crossfire the 6670 and onboard IGPU.

Id prefer the 7870, is what im saying i guess (on this budget atleast)
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I'm not trying to say it's not a viable option - but I would say that APU's shouldn't be ruled out. People think they're slower than the Phenom II X4's because their AMD's lower end CPU's (APU) but they're neck and neck with the Phenom II's. They also offering impressive integrated graphics, an on-chip Northbridge, fully integrated USB 3.0/SATA 6GB/s controllers and again an upgrade path for an HSA compatible processor. Graphics + CPU + ARM CPU on die = WIN.

ok yes, but for the same / cheaper price, he can get an HD7870 Which beats the 6670CF . THe APU option is only decent if he wants to crossfire the 6670 and onboard IGPU.

Id prefer the 7870, is what im saying i guess (on this budget atleast)

the lag just caused a quad post O.O
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ok yes, but for the same / cheaper price, he can get an HD7870 Which beats the 6670CF . THe APU option is only decent if he wants to crossfire the 6670 and onboard IGPU.
Id prefer the 7870, is what im saying i guess (on this budget atleast)

No - the APU is a viable option in any situation when your comparing it with any Phenom II considering they perform the same in all situations including gaming. You won't get a bottleneck with the APU. A 7870 + A10 would be the equivalent of a 7870 + Phenom II 965 performance wise, it's just that the iGPU wouldn't be doing anything on the A10 unless you switched to your integrated graphics. He could use it as a backup if he ever had to RMA his card. Believe it or not the A10-5800K can even keep up with the Phenom II 1055T in several situations. As a reference my friend has a Phenom II 1045T and 660Ti and has no complaints.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=147

An even better option for him would be a Piledriver based AM3+ processor - but if HSA takes off he won't be able to take advantage of HSA until Steamroller comes around in 2014.
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No - the APU is a viable option in any situation when your comparing it with any Phenom II considering they perform the same in all situations including gaming. You won't get a bottleneck with the APU. A 7870 + A10 would be the equivalent of a 7870 + Phenom II 965 performance wise, it's just that the iGPU wouldn't be doing anything on the A10 unless you switched to your integrated graphics. He could use it as a backup if he ever had to RMA his card. Believe it or not the A10-5800K can even keep up with the Phenom II 1055T in several situations. As a reference my friend has a Phenom II 1045T and 660Ti and has no complaints.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=147
An even better option for him would be a Piledriver based AM3+ processor - but if HSA takes off he won't be able to take advantage of HSA until Steamroller comes around in 2014.

Agreed regarding the apu, also i have compared my 1090t with my 8350 with 2 cores turned off, clock for clock they are similar but the 1090t cannot get over 4ghz, the in effect 6300 can get to 5ghz thus making the 1090t 20% slower. I personally would go with a 6300 and a 7850 2gb or 7870 if you can get it for similar money. Granted you cant go hsa with that setup but we don't know for sure when that is coming, we know its coming just not exactly when.
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